View Full Version : I would like to say something IMPORTANT!
MrProdent
10-23-1999, 14:26
Yes.. and what might that be??
Well I have a simple question (with a statement)
What is happening here? People are selling stuff here! I thought that this was NOT the meaning of this forum.
The people who started this forum didn't mention anything, to anybody, about eventually turning it in to a commercial site where everybody can just offer any GSM-related software or hardware.
The intention was, as I can remember.. ALL SOFTWARE FOR FREE! and I vote that also this new step .. the HARDWARE, must be offered for free as well.
Maybe this isn't possible and that IS understandable. Hardware is usually not as easy to copy as some ****ty little program that can unlock a phone.
I say give these people here a change to gain this knowledge whitout having to pay so ****ing much for it. In most countries this stuff is illegal and buying 900 bucks of GSM related hardware is tricky. If I could arrange it I would do it in a sec. because I have the money. Still I don't because I learned never to trust any offer out of a forum like this.
Also I would like to mention the following:
There are some people offering stuff (hardware and software) in this forum and others like this one, just to make money.
That might be OK, but that's not OK if they just don't have anything to sell at all. I mean people with BIG-talk about having all kinds of hardware and software to unlock, trace, modify, etc. all of the goods that you would like to unlock, trace, modify, etc. Eventually you will end ripped off and pissed off and you can't do anything about it.
Because this is a very difficult situation I think that these sort of offers don't belong in a forum like this.
The offer of GSM TECHNICAL is very nice and if there would be an other way I know that most of the people here would like to buy this equipment.
It's very tricy to buy such illegal hardware over the internet without knowing if you are ever going to get it.
I say that offers like these belong somewhere else and if that means that hobbyists like me and others that come here can't buy this stuff then so be it!
This is a forum and in a forum like this people should be able to gain knowledge about topics that are discussed here. They should not be exploited, they should be helped.
regards,
Sander Spierenburg aka MrProdent
email: s.spierenburg@kok-electronics.com
GSM Pirate
10-23-1999, 14:41
Just as u say it!!!!
GSM Pirate
10-24-1999, 07:50
I think that everbody who has the same Opinon
should post it here!!!!!!
and the Mod of this Forum should delete all this topics where software is not for free!
Than maybe this forum will be more productive!
Letīs kick some dealer asses
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keep on piratin`.....GSM Pirate
OK ...
There is few peoples called MODERATORS...
they can close topic or block usrname or IP address ....
Why they simple don't do it...?????
Thats right what MrProdent says and write !!!
All software for free. We must help others and not enrich ourselves at their helplessness.
Ok
i read your messages and in 1-2 days I give a answer.. I must think about....
I completely agree with MrProdent and all the others! If zfrank gives the okay, I'd love to delete topics from the 6150 forum where people try get rich! Because in my opinion 99% of those guys are fake! Just like Mr. Andrew Bennett who promised me to unlock my old 6150. And I never got it back! He said it must have been lost by the mail somewhere, so what can I do? **** those people and keep the forum free to pass knowledge to others!
Regards,
TheDon
smilisav
10-27-1999, 17:34
MrProdent, I just wanted to thank you for
reminding us all about the intention of
this forum. I agree with you completely,
both for free soft & possibly hardware
(at least shematics and advices about it
could certainly be free).
I also agree with all other messages and
hope Zfrank will give the OK!
Regards, smilisav
Jefferson
10-28-1999, 00:15
Well i will get a respose from frank for this situation!!!
Frank i kontakt you...
regards
Hi People !!
I spend best part of my life in Soviet Union, and I know that YOU ALL will newer reach
your goal with any kind of limitation.
You can be a master of forum but You not allowed to be "MOST EQUAL"(read Orwell).
I hate ****ing traders of free stuff.
Them must die , but not limited or killed.
Best You can make - make this information
free in special topic ,where moderator
or WIP can post info about such jerk.
(Best - with IP)
This way them will not be able to get
any new nest , and all juniors and guests
will know them as well.
-More:Info about fake programms will be
good too.
Best Hacking,Make a JerkList.
MrProdent
10-28-1999, 19:51
Hello everybody,
First of all I would like to thank everyone for the positive attitude. This has made me believe in this forum again.
I would also like to take this as a opportunity to react on kyiv's reply and make a second statement.
kyiv, what are you doing calling yourself a "hacker"? What the hell are you thinking man?
Let's get some facts straid here. Most of the tricks, software and hardware (schematics or full parts) are on the internet.
Yes it's all right here on the internet and what I hate is, that some people make money of the fact that they know where to download the stuff. I say "knowing where you can get it" does not make you a hacker". It doesn't make me a hacker although everybody says so.
Most of the people here started to look for these things because they were interested and wanted to know a little more about it (I did). Okay this might be a little naïve but I believe most of them did.
This "software for free"-idea came from the fact, that lot's of arrogant little ****ers who got their hand on some software that could unlock phones decided to sell the stuff. But they didn't do a damn thing for it.
A few resourcefull people decided that it could not go on like that. Why? because most of them wrote that same software and saw that some other guy was making a ****-load of money off of it.
A hacker is someone which intentions are to get the information he/she wants to have (the "information should be free" idea!, think of an anarchist) and sometimes this means breaking the law.
A hacker is NOT a capitalistic sone of a bitch that wants to make as many money over the backs of others knowlegde or work. You stupid IDIOT!
I hate it when people like that call themselves hackers.
regards,
MrProdent
GSM Pirate
10-28-1999, 22:34
A few things to say:
1. I hope the moderator of this forum will not just close but delete all topics
where the want to sell free software!!!
2. The idiots called SPUNLOCKER 2000 contacted me to get the adres of my page
but I told them to P... OFF!
These are the people who wants to sale some fakes for 900$
3. And that was the reason why I tryed to hide my page from such suckers!
4. But now I believe the bad times are over
so here it is...
http://www.geocities.com/gsm_expert_2000
Itīs nothing special, itīs just my way to say
" thanx " to people where I were able to download this progs for FREE!
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keep on piratin`.....GSM Pirate
I must say: this is something what is rare in this ****y world, keep doing it!!mona
-----For MrProdent Personally -----
You,Smart Debill first read the book
named "1984" ,than come back to tell "sorry".
Hope You read English?
Hey, hey, MrProdent & Kyiv !!!
Gentlemen, what is here going on?
Please try to be a bit more friendly...
Keep smiling :-)
Senior
Sorry,but I just try to give replay
in,seems,understandable form.
For other,who dont understand my messages:
SU was ,first of all,jail for INFORMATION.
This is why biggest part of original solutions (in topic)on the net is made by people from post-soviet countries.
Them all have almost genethic hacking
ability. Every info in SU was "for whites only". Every had to be hacked.
"Best part of life" means When I was 21.
As for mrProdent - You will be VIP for me,
when I see something Your made.Before -
You Just piggy Napoleon.(Read Orwell).
Dont feel yoursef cool Outlaw just because
your cross the road in forbidden plase and
newer read the books.
Best Hacking for all!
Sorry bad english.
- For ZFRANK :
Don't You think that peole,who wrote soft which is used by ALL , deserves to be a VIP?
I don't understand why VirtualM (for example)
is junior member.
[This message has been edited by kyiv (edited 31 October 1999).]
VirtualM
10-31-1999, 01:13
Well, well, well!
First i want to Thank kyiv for his comments about me.
I made that software for nokia and others phones because i need money to survive day by day. I earn only 100DM/mounth in my country as a computer tehnician, so don't you all give me that free software thing!!! I spend nights and nights without sleep to hack this phones and now you said to me that this prog must be free??!! I'm agreed with you when is about people who sell others programs, programs wich are declared free by authors.
Now all of them are on the net cracked by some new hacker from ist....
(seams to me that softsentry **** don't work. Who is interested i can give to him how to crack softsentry in 5 min.)
Nokia take care of this and release a new ver. of software. One that it's very hard to hack.
In conclusion you all don't be angry with me. I can't give my work to somebody who puts it on net the second day after because others will sell the prog and also the phones companies will find about their software weikness and they will repaire the bugs making impossible to hack next version.
You all moderators and vip members maybe you will find some ideeas to give all software without all this happends.
Thank you for reading this!
I'll answer all the messages or emails.
P.S. kyiv - Did you crack the softsentry protection from my progs? Now i make a personal protection. Maybe you can help me with that.
Maybe I'm really an idiot ???
In my messages I tell "free" about
FREE stuff.(Public Domain)
When I talk about "****ing traders"
I mean ONLY peoples which try to
trade with produckts made by OTHER,
products NOT owned by them,and fakes.
For example: SSP sales BDM ,upgraded
by Madis and available on his site for free. Them make dongle protection
for this.I crack it,and I proud to **** them.
Other ****ed trader from Portugal EddieNice/Rudi/rjms set something like
trademark "cracked by alex ..." on it
and exchange it for other needful soft.
What I get? I get fake dump for D520
from this bitch.Thats all.It cannot be error
because product was disassembled,rewrited
in some places,no other crack can have same
length.
Hope all understand me?
- For VirtualM: I get a help from You
some time ago,so I owes you,and will be glad to help in any position.
Hey Kyiv
VirtualM is right. My big mistake is to release EDEC (Ericsson decoder) (My prog) for free.
we where put long nights research.... our eyes front to monitor our health ...
now all say "**** traders" and etc... maybe this peoples when can't unlock any phone and cry "****...." "****...." etc.
where is first 7 years on this peoples... here is public forum.... all read this ...
REGARDS: VICTOR LEVUNLIEV
P.S. .... and when i ask any soft from "CRYING" peoples all say ..."EXCHANGE!!!"
If say "EXCHANGE" mybe do not use EDEC or EDEC4WIN.....
I DONT SAY HE IS WRONG !!!!!
Is my english realy so bad ??????
I newer exchange with soft.!!!!!!!!!!!
If I want to help someone - I did it.
If I need help from someone - I ask for it.
About that man(Eddie): he get my files
not for exchange.
You ,Victor,get them from me. You don't ask for them,YES. All I write to
You was technical discussion
(if You remember)
A few stupid questios and a few empty
answers.
I'm ,on one hand,gratefull to all,who
makes their work a public domain.
On the other, them kill my business (i can make it all myself),when I have competition
(in my business) with stupid lammer,which
get Your soft for free,and all he need
to do,is just right connection.
I think ,SPECIAL soft have to be commercial.
Other hand - soft for experiments, which
can help the one, who want TO MAKE SOMETHING,
or LEARN something -HAVE TO BE FREE-.
Technical information -HAVE TO BE FREE-.
If idiots,which make sequrity for phones,
can protect them ONLY by keeping sequrity
system in SAFE - there is their problem.
But such systems WILL be HACKED.
Them will spend more and more money for it.
And all will have a job.
Best For All!
P.S. I have the same opinion as VirtualM
and Victor.Seems we have language problems.
[This message has been edited by kyiv (edited 02 November 1999).]
MrProdent
11-04-1999, 14:47
Okay here we go!
First off all... kyiv I would like to say "sorry" . The reason is that I mistoke you for a Lamer but youīre not. I do NOT apologize for the fact that you know history so ****ing well and also because I do not share the idea off selling youīre crack.
The moment a hacker/cracker is selling (his own) cracks or hacks it becomes commercial. I canīt fit that in ehtics about hacking/cracking and Iīm not the only one. Believe me I know..
Well thatīs it and thatīs that..
regards,
MrProdent