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movvom
03-09-2005, 12:58
I'm trying to make an customized CarKit to my A52. I have an original CarKit from Siemens and it send the following command to the phone to activate the CarKit mode:

RX = cellphone recieve
TX = cellphone Transmit

RX - AT^SACD=2,"1A" [0D 0A]
TX - AT^SACD=2,"1A" [0D 0A]
TX - OK [0D 0A]

RX - AT^SACD=2,"1A,00,2,1" [0D 0A]
TX - AT^SACD=2,"1A,00,2,1" [0D 0A]
TX - OK [0D 0A]

TX - ^SACD: 1A,01,1,0,SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS [0D 0A](16 numbers Hexa)

RX - AT^SACD=2,"1A,01,2,RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR" [0D 0A] (16 numbers Hexa)
TX - OK [0D 0A]

The cellphone sent the S's numbers to carkit and it answer the R's numbres.

How can I calculate the R's numbers ? It's seens a kind of CRC of the given S's numbers.

Thanks for the help !

PS: Example of R and S numbers:

^SACD: 1A,01,1,0,F7342B2832344221
AT^SACD=2,"1A,01,2,442AB576CC3CEBA0"

movvom
03-10-2005, 22:10
Can anyone please help me to activate the Carkit profile ? Only the Carkit profile can activate the echo cancelation, that I need for my customized Carkit.

Thanks.

mliwski
03-11-2005, 21:47
I dont understend what do you need, if you can explain better i can help you. bye bye . Mati :p

mliwski
03-11-2005, 23:14
If you want to cancel te echo, send ATEO to the cellphone and for reactivate send ATE1. good luck. Mati. :p

movvom
03-14-2005, 12:38
mliwski, I mean the voice echo cancelation, not for AT commands. This is important for Handsfree circuit.

mliwski
03-14-2005, 14:49
Hi, if you can send me the circuit of the handsfree, perhaps, i can help you better, if i understand the circuit. bye bye. Mati

movvom
03-17-2005, 18:16
Here some numbers and anwers that I got:

^SACD: 1A,01,1,0,C6457F2832344221
AT^SACD=2,"1A,01,2,AA1297437FDA0270"

^SACD: 1A,01,1,0,256C152832344221
AT^SACD=2,"1A,01,2,BA130F662C293FAF"

^SACD: 1A,01,1,0,F7342B2832344221
AT^SACD=2,"1A,01,2,442AB576CC3CEBA0"

^SACD: 1A,01,1,0,C768432832344221
AT^SACD=2,"1A,01,2,846384608FC4073D"

^SACD: 1A,01,1,0,C6457F2832344221
AT^SACD=2,"1A,01,2,AA1297437FDA0270"

^SACD: 1A,01,1,0,256C152832344221
AT^SACD=2,"1A,01,2,BA130F662C293FAF"

^SACD: 1A,01,1,0,F7342B2832344221
AT^SACD=2,"1A,01,2,442AB576CC3CEBA0"

^SACD: 1A,01,1,0,C768432832344221
AT^SACD=2,"1A,01,2,846384608FC4073D"

^SACD: 1A,01,1,0,CB9A432832344221
AT^SACD=2,"1A,01,2,BFFDA9D02618D583"

^SACD: 1A,01,1,0,3A022F2B32344221
AT^SACD=2,"1A,01,2,42924398E6516A9D"

^SACD: 1A,01,1,0,EDC82F2B32344221
AT^SACD=2,"1A,01,2,4FBFC041425DB2BB"

^SACD: 1A,01,1,0,306CAD2832344221
AT^SACD=2,"1A,01,2,85B48D4E04498E3D"

^SACD: 1A,01,1,0,FC1A2B2832344221
AT^SACD=2,"1A,01,2,2361E4AD899EA2A0"

^SACD: 1A,01,1,0,D7E22F2B32344221
AT^SACD=2,"1A,01,2,6D82EFE63F77854D"

^SACD: 1A,01,1,0,CB9A432832344221
AT^SACD=2,"1A,01,2,BFFDA9D02618D583"

^SACD: 1A,01,1,0,3A022F2B32344221
AT^SACD=2,"1A,01,2,42924398E6516A9D"

^SACD: 1A,01,1,0,EDC82F2B32344221
AT^SACD=2,"1A,01,2,4FBFC041425DB2BB"

^SACD: 1A,01,1,0,306CAD2832344221
AT^SACD=2,"1A,01,2,85B48D4E04498E3D"

Any Idea how can I calculate , from 8 bytes numbers of the Line 1, the 8 byte numbers of the line 2?

TIA

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amacri
03-22-2005, 03:02
Hi movvom,
so you think that the carkit can only be activated via non-standard AT commands and that the Siemens carkit really does this? Indeed I could not find any pin combination to activate it, but I assumed that there should have been one....

movvom
03-22-2005, 13:59
Hi amacri

There is a pin connection combination that activate the Earset profile. But it is not work with handsfrre because it not activate the echo cancelation. Only those not standard AT commands activate the "CarKit mode". The question is how to calculate the numbers.....

movvom
04-05-2005, 13:57
In my expiriences I see that the number form the cell phone have some bytes that don't change:
^SACD: 1A,01,1,0,XXXXXXXXXX344221

But the "34 42 21" bytes are only for A52. The C55 phone send another 3 bytes that always repeat.

dianmi
04-06-2005, 21:38
Who can tell me how to find the "AT^SACD" command? I want the datasheet,thanks very much!

Chris02
04-10-2005, 23:02
Could it be also possible that you need only to connect some pins and that the phone then know aha, this is a carkit?

I bought a headset (org Siemens) and I checked that Pin
2 and 5
3, 4 and 6
8 and 10

are connected.

I'll check if it is working if I connect a blank connector as I wrote abov tomorrow.

Would be great if someone can measure the same at a carkit.

movvom
04-11-2005, 13:26
Hi Cris02

That information is correct, exception to pin 8 and 10 that is the microphone connection (it's seen to be connected because the Mic has about 500 Ohms)

But if you make a handsfree with this (Headset) configuration you will have problem with audio echo. For example, if you call a person using the Headset configuration as a Handsfree, the called person will listen all that it's say retunning. Thats why it's important to enable the carkit mode.

Chris02
04-11-2005, 17:02
All you said is right.

But I think there is a connection to activate Car Cit, like hands free.

movvom
04-13-2005, 13:23
If you find it, please let me know.
These Special AT commands came from an Original Siemens Carkit.

Chris02
04-13-2005, 20:06
If you find it, please let me know.
These Special AT commands came from an Original Siemens Carkit.

You wrote that you have the org. CarKit from Siemens!

So measure it pls!

movvom
04-15-2005, 16:04
Hi Chris

Yes I have an original Siemens Carkit. It uses AT commands to activate the carkit mode. All what i what is know how to calculate the answer for the code sent by the cell phone (see post #1) in order to activate a carkit made by myself. This carkit will have some special (and customized) functions like automatic dial for pre-configurated numbers. I already develop the hardware (using a 8051 microcontroller) but I could not activate the carkit mode.

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Chris02
04-16-2005, 14:57
Ah, ok.

I have one from Audi/VW (made by Cullman) but only old x45 adapter.

I'll see to get more infos

movvom
04-19-2005, 13:53
Ok Chris, thank you.

But phones like C45 have a different connector. If you find some info about the carkit activation please let me know.
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Chris02
05-10-2005, 23:28
Today I ordered adapter for C55/M55/S55 for my Audi CarKit.

Maybe damaged but 11,-€ur with shipping should be ok ;) And it is enough for testing.

I'll measure which pins are short cutted like to aktivate HSE. I hope that it will be as easy as mod a cable or make HSE aktivation--> No AT comments were needed.

So everyone can make his own adapter for his CarKit (need it specially for SL55 &SL65)

movvom
05-18-2005, 12:48
Hi Chris
I hope that you find a way to activate the carkit mode with a special pin connection. If you do so, please post the pin connection.

davidjosuecas
11-06-2005, 01:57
Hi!, i am interested in this subject too!!, i found something o a Russian WEbpage but it dont works for me, it said

Pin7 GND
Pin6 Not Connected
Pin5 Not Connected
Pin4 (RX) HIGH

the same chart said correctly about Freehand activation

i dont know any Russian anyway!. :D

Any help or ideas?!!!

Enki
03-12-2006, 06:22
Has someone managed to get this SACD protocol working?
I've read on Russian forums that SACD string is MD5 encrypted.