Fix XBOX360 ring of death with RE-7500

[Trion]

I have used RE-7500 to sucessfully reflow the processor and GPU of XBOX 360 and have fixed the infamous "ring of death". This is something that can get a technician a minimum of 50 euros to do, if not more.

I'd never be able to do it with a hot air rework station or even with the cheap Tornando infra.

This in one more way to recover the cost of RE-7500.
:D:D:D

[Fonefingz]

what is it you have to do?
just reflow the chip?

[Trion]

Well the problem with the 360 is that it has a badly designed cooling system. What happens is with overheating the balls tend to get desoldered. Part of the problem in those made till Oct '06 is that the X-clamp for the heatsinks puts uneven pressure on the processors and this too makes the balls break. So what many ppl try to do is give even pressure between the heatsink and processor. If this works as in the 360 repair manual available online, its good n cheap. But sometimes reflow is needed. I reflow both the CPU and GPU, put back the heatsinks applying artic silver thermal paste. The paste Microsoft uses too isn't that good. It needs to be totally removed and replaced with artic silver. I also make a few minor modifications to get the 360 to cool better to prevent future problems. If u google for 360 cooling modifications, u'll get a couple of links.
Keep in mind that the PCB is double sided and has components below the processors that can fall off if u r not careful. What i do is preheat the board to around 75 degrees with upper heater off. Then i turn off lower heater and turn on upper heater on fast reflow till temp reaches around 100-105 degrees. Then i keep on reflow for abt 30 secs. Then i cool the board. I use Aluminium foil to cover the surrounding components as the tape supplied with Re-7500 isn't available here.
Unless the processor is fried (about 6% of cases), u should be able to successfully repair the 360 and make some cool bucks and earn respect of the gamer community.

[Raheeeeb]

@Trion

Good infrmation posted here , could you post some photos of your succeeded process

[ahmadz]

thanks you ????????>>>>>>

[TRABEL]

very good information ....
how many times did you try with hot air station ? , do you use any flux with reflaw ?
thx

[skkeptik2]

i have a lot expirence with xbox360 , yours xbox,repaired with this way (heating) will work one month and the reheating will not help you anymore, real problem is memory ic-s,from other side of the board,easyest way , not heating board is posted on net a few moths ago, need to put real eraser-ruber to evry memory ic, eraser-ruber,that one evryonehave in house,must be 4*10*20 mm
just remove original, and place there new one,maded from yours kids eraser :) , mount x-box 360 again,and it will works forewer :)

i made 16 pcs till now and all still wrking


eraser-thing used in scool for erasing wrong writed words :)
sorry for bad english :)

[Trion]

@skkeptik2,
Shall try that too. BUt i'm sure u agree that the cooling was very bad in the older 360s. I have a little experience in these and am always willng to learn from others. In normal PCs memory can cause problems, so shall do what u suggest too. I want my customers not to have problems for as long as possible. Any idea what MS is doing to the 360s they repair? Heard they're giving retrospective warranty to non modded 360s. Here there r lots of modded ones.
I heard one of the things MS is doing is using a new heatsink.
Thanks for sharing the info though. By sharing we all grow together.
:)

[Trion]

@Raheeeeb,

I'll try and take pics the next time i get one. Word needs to spread that i'm doing this kind of repair. I feel in a few months there'll be several coming in once they fail.

Thanks for all your help with Re-7500. Your videos are a great asset and your advice is always appreciated.

BR
Trion

[Trion]

@Trabel,

I didn't risk it with hot air. Hot air is mostly for older generation phones and motherboards. FOr newer ones, infrared is a safe bet. I didn't need to use flux in the cases i had done.
BR
Trion

[Raheeeeb]

i have a lot expirence with xbox360 , yours xbox,repaired with this way (heating) will work one month and the reheating will not help you anymore,

Trion may be use re heating but sure re flow the balls is the good solution to insure that the ball re formalized and all solder cracks is removed and the connectivity of the solder ball surface become effective.
as the board while working the temperature is reach to 70 degrees


real problem is memory ic-s,from other side of the board,easyest way , not heating board is posted on net a few moths ago, need to put real eraser-ruber to evry memory ic, eraser-ruber,that one evryonehave in house,must be 4*10*20 mm
just remove original, and place there new one,maded from yours kids eraser :) , mount x-box 360 again,and it will works forewer :)

i made 16 pcs till now and all still wrking


eraser-thing used in scool for erasing wrong writed words :)
sorry for bad english :)

Yes to make a pressure or the chip package might work but still you make a pressure to press all four surfaces of connectivity is a way , but what about opretaing high resolution games for continues 7 hours ?
did you try to re flow the four memory chips ?
did you try to re ball the four chips?


Thank you for share your personal experince we all here to exchange experiences

Br
Raheeeeb

[Trion]

@Raheeeeb,

Any suggestions to improve the procedure so we properly reflow the ICs? Also if i were to need to reball them, how can i get stencils of the right size for reballing?

Thanks in advance.

BR

Trion

[TRABEL]

well , from what i hear , MS replace this bad xbox360 free of charge without any shipping costs ... even if not in warrenty ... ??
is this correct ?

[Trion]

@Trabel,
I think you did not read the part about them replacing only non modded xbox360 units. Also there is no certainity that the units they give under warranty won't have the problems again. By the way, one unit i fixed did come back, so i shall try out skkeptik2's suggestions on this one besides reflowing the Processors.

[Burnt Cobba]

@skkeptik2

mate can you place any more info on this or what to search for pls? I got a slight idea of what you are referring to but not 100%. Would appreciate some more details pls.

thanks for any help

[dusan75]

Hi!

I'm trying to Trion's method with RE-7500 but no luck :(

- Place 360 motherboard on XY tabel and set L.H to Preheat mode (machine in park mode)
- Wait to 75 degrees and set machine to normal mode
- Turn off L.H. and turn on U.H. in fast reflow mode
- Waiting for 105 degrees and turn off U.H.
- After 30 seconds, cool down the pcb with fan

Is this method correct, or where is the mistake ?

Please help me because I'm very despondent...

[gixxer_gixxer]

Hi!

I'm trying to Trion's method with RE-7500 but no luck :(

- Place 360 motherboard on XY tabel and set L.H to Preheat mode (machine in park mode)
- Wait to 75 degrees and set machine to normal mode
- Turn off L.H. and turn on U.H. in fast reflow mode
- Waiting for 105 degrees and turn off U.H.
- After 30 seconds, cool down the pcb with fan

Is this method correct, or where is the mistake ?

Please help me because I'm very despondent...

Hi, if you cannot work this out my friend then perhaps you sell your JOVI machine to me :)

[Mr_F10ch3]

Hi!

I'm trying to Trion's method with RE-7500 but no luck :(

- Place 360 motherboard on XY tabel and set L.H to Preheat mode (machine in park mode)
- Wait to 75 degrees and set machine to normal mode
- Turn off L.H. and turn on U.H. in fast reflow mode
- Waiting for 105 degrees and turn off U.H.
- After 30 seconds, cool down the pcb with fan

Is this method correct, or where is the mistake ?

Please help me because I'm very despondent...




chek this also this metod work fine for me /...


youtube part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wa05IgHr2s)

youtube part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aczn8lpDOlc)

[Trion]

My friends, am sorry i haven't posted here in a while. The heating method as i had shown here way back is a temporary fix. As Raheeeb said, its better to reflow the joints rather than just heating the parts as i was doing. This requires higher temperatures and the process is different. In some cases its even better to reball the CPU and GPU. Kits are now available on the net for doing this. The best solution would be to remove the ICs and reball them with leaded solder paste (yes i did say lead based solder and NOT ROHS solders that cause the problem). This along with improving the cooling as give on the Llama forums besides other forums will be a more lasting solution.

Please be warned that the methods mentioned in the post above this one on the You tube videos are temporary fixes too and mainly work by putting pressure on the balls. Then as the borad starts heating and warping the board starts giving problems again that get progressively worse. The you tube works only for short periods.

[Raheeeeb]

@all

I found these video i think it is helpful
http://www.jovy-sys.com/videos/Latest/

Hope to get some feedback from the ppl here :)

[Raheeeeb]

@all

I found these video i think it is helpful
http://www.jovy-sys.com/videos/Latest/

Hope to get some feedback from the ppl here :)

[Surej]

I think the easiest way is to change the X-clamps with proper screws ..just find the right thickness metal washers for mounting the heatsinks on top....bottom i normally use fiber washers . same way i fixed many and none of them came back...quick and easy fix...cost you less than 5 £...


WBR

Surej

[Trion]

Dear Raheeeeb,

Thanks for the link as its useful for us to know the temperatures for ******* a reballed GPU. Could you kindly give some tips here for those who wish to reflow their 360 GPU and other Chips?

Thanks again.

Best regards!

[Deusjevoo]

Found this on avrepair.
http://www.jovy.avrepair.com/product/xbox/index.htm

The XBox360 RRoD Solution :

Upwards of 70% of all XBox360’s only need to have the GPU reflowed, to restore the unit to proper operating condition. This can be accomplished quickly and easily by using the Jovy Systems’ RE-7500 Rework Station. System comes complete with X-Y table included. Everything you need to start servicing the XBox 360 is included. You’re ready to go, right out of the box. (Includes 3 downloadable xbox specific profiles)

Especially this interested me:
(Includes 3 downloadable xbox specific profiles)

Checked jovy site to see if they have the profiles on their site also.
Horror, couldn't login anymore. Been trying for 2 days now, no luck.

Has someone else those profiles and want to share them please?
Put it up somewhere for download, or mail them?

Or is there maybe a "generic" or "public" login for jovy site?

Hope someone helps, would be very much appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

Regards.

[Trion]

Thanks to Raheeeeb's links to the new videos we can easily see the process to fit a reballed GPU on the 360 motherboard. Its in the video called "GPU XBOXLIVE". The best solution is to reball the GPU . If we watch carefully we can see the temperatures, the heater settings and the duration of the process which is around 3 minutes. To learn how to reball ICs with the machine, we need to watch older videos whose links have been provided by Raheeeeb. Just look in the sticky posts in this forum.

For reflowing we could use similar settings.


@Deusjevoo,

When you buy a machine, you can make a user profile on the site.

B.R.

Trion

[Deusjevoo]

Thanks to Raheeeeb's links to the new videos we can easily see the process to fit a reballed GPU on the 360 motherboard. Its in the video called "GPU XBOXLIVE". The best solution is to reball the GPU . If we watch carefully we can see the temperatures, the heater settings and the duration of the process which is around 3 minutes. To learn how to reball ICs with the machine, we need to watch older videos whose links have been provided by Raheeeeb. Just look in the sticky posts in this forum.

For reflowing we could use similar settings.


@Deusjevoo,

When you buy a machine, you can make a user profile on the site.

B.R.

Trion

Thanks for the response.
Bought the machine second hand.
Asked for a login long time ago, never got an answer.
Used the login from the first buyer for now.
Looks like that has been disabled.
So, if someone wants to help me out ....

For the profiles, was thinking there was maybe a sort of reflow only profile or so for the gpu among them, as that is often enough.
Would very much like to have them all as they are probably "right" profiles that make me more comfortable to use than experimenting myself.

That "GPU XBOXLIVE" video is for the old xbox I think.
Don't think that was lead-free ?

Making profiles is not that easy for someone unexperienced in my opinion
Not enough info on the working of the machine.
Like, what do the different settings do?
What is the difference between reflow and fast reflow?
I mean this more technically. What is the power used?
How fast should temperature go up with different settings?
For working on top of the board, is it necessary to fast reflow bottom side?
Does kapton tape have influence on temp of the board? Or does it only components at place?
Those things are not explained anywhere.
Using FR on bottom, components can fall of.
Happened to me allready, and I did use kapton tape on the bottom to
cover most of the bottom surface. Offcousre, lost some that where not covered.
It is offcourse a technique I still have to learn.


Thanks anyway for your reaction.
And this is a great site, found lots of info on it.
Want to thank all of you guys.
And offcourse, especially Raheeb.

Regards.

[Trion]

@Deusjevoo,

The old Xbox had no issues with its GPU, CPU or almost any component besides the DVD drive. If u modchipped it and put in a large Hard disk, it can run for years without any problems, provided u ensure good power and that its little cooling fan is free of dust. Its one of the best consoles ever designed. At one time i had 4 as i was running a game parlour. I still have 2 and its over 8 years for the oldest and it still runs. The other is around 7 years old and running.

The video is for the 360, no mistake about this.

See, its possible to do work with absolutely no profile whatsoever. profiles are needed when u have repetitive jobs. If u watch the videos Raheeeeb has posted and the video links carefully at least 2-3 times each u will learn more than u could if u were give a 500 page manual. He's even shown how to make profiles. You can manually control settings. Don't be afraid to experiment. You can do this on dead or scrap phones or computer motherboards. Surely u can find some of those for a start.

While you are learning, pretend that there is no info out there except for what's available in this forum. Learn to make profiles if needed. Besides net based support, there are phone numbers listed listed on the Jovy site. Try those if you need.

Overall the best technical tips you can get are here. Only in certain cases do we need to contact Jovy. In my case i had a problem due to my machine firmware getting corrupted due to faulty power. Jovy helped me out for free even though it was well beyond the 1 year warranty.

See the reflow settings are different power levels of the IR heaters with preheat being lowest for the lower one and fast reflow being the highest for both the lower and upper heaters. The exact power output given by these heaters under the specific settings isn't known by me and this knowledge isn't necessary if one learns how to use the machine.

To learn, go through all the posts in this RE-7500 forum section starting with the oldest. Read everything, watch every video (at least 2-3 times), make your own notes and try out what you learn. Pretend that you got the machine from a dead alien civilization and that what info is here is all there is ;) . As long as the machine works fine and communicates with a PC, you can use it fully.

Avoid fast reflow on lower side of PCB for mobile phones. Again i repeat, watch the videos whose links were given by Raheeeeb very carefully. he's one of the most experienced SMD rework professionals on this website and has lots of experience. He's very busy and yet took time to share his knowledge for free. Make use of this. There are many others who know a lot, but don't share info.

You may PM me if all efforts to contact Jovy fail. I have some email addresses that i used to communicate. I find calling Jovy on the numbers on their site is useful. They may then ask you to email them the details of any problems. There don't seem to be any new profiles on the website. The only real forum with useful info for this machine is right here on GSM-forum.

We all learn by making mistakes. The first time i used the machine on a scrap PC motherboard, i used too much heat and cracked an I/O chip. Now i know the limits ;)

I'm certain you like most others who are using this machine are quite intelligent. Don't be shy to use your intelligence.

Good luck!

:)

Trion

[Trion]

One thing i forgot to mention, read the manual. If need be, you can download it from the Jovy website.


Here's a useful link for those who need stencils for the Xbox 360 Chips reballing: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Summers-BGA-Tools-Store__W0QQ_armrsZ1

[Deusjevoo]

@Trion

Thanks again very much for your info and the pep-talk.
Indeed, I maybe should experiment more myself.
I read all the forum and saw think all the movies.
They are indeed very informative.
Gonna have a look again and filter out what I need.

Working by hand, my machine has a problem however.
Often the led goes blank.
All text disappears. The machine still keeps working though.
Any idea maybe?

Also, a kid of the family accidentally broke the original temperature probe.
Had to replace it, but I think that is not a problem? Suppose it are standard probes?

Those xbox 360 profiles, whas on AVRepair, with the xbox 360 bga kit.
http://www.jovy.avrepair.com/product/xbox/index.htm
Thought they would be on jovy's site to.
If you should come across them sometime maybe you let me know...?
I'll see to contact jovy and try to get a login again.

Agree with you this a great site to find about the jovy rework.
It is my 2nd most read. Check it every day.

Regards.

[Deusjevoo]

@Trion

Just letting you know, nothing ment by it.

Looked at that "GPU XBOXLIVE" video again.
It is an old xbox 1, surely not a 360.
The chip is an nvidia, which was on the old xbox, 360 is ATI gpu.
See also the IDE connector in front.
Xbox 1 was IDE, Xbox 360 is sata.


Regards.

[Nurettin Duman]

New XBOX360 PS3 reballing rework repairing kits

[katocarlos]

i buy and just arrived jovy re-7500 to my city ,but not work only buzzer annoying sound and display not show words,i'm confused
http://www.hiboox.es/go/images/otros/05may-0005,1fa6f5857e7ca7456bfcbaaf9bbc698d.jpg.html

[katocarlos]

http://yfrog.com/0l05may0005j

[katocarlos]

sorry here is pic

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5447/05may0005.th.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=05may0005.jpg)

[Raheeeeb]

please contact Jovy directly .. they have strong after sales services and prompt response .. ( due a particular experience in same cases )

Raheeeeb

[Nurettin Duman]

Repaired Xbox with 3 red lights pls help

[Raheeeeb]

Sure you are right , but what the subject of teh video ;) it is GPU X-BOX LIVE

Thanks

@Trion

Just letting you know, nothing ment by it.

Looked at that "GPU XBOXLIVE" video again.
It is an old xbox 1, surely not a 360.
The chip is an nvidia, which was on the old xbox, 360 is ATI gpu.
See also the IDE connector in front.
Xbox 1 was IDE, Xbox 360 is sata.


Regards.

[chiragp]

Repaired Xbox with 3 red lights pls help

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wa05IgHr2s

[bilm25]

Repaired Xbox with 3 red lights pls help




http://tutoriaux.gueux-forum.net/index.php/XBOX360_HARDWARE_REPARATION_3_LEDS_ROUGES

[Trion]

Though this isn't a Jovy RE-7500 video, if we watch closely, we can learn something about re-balling the 360 from this video. The machine used in the video is far, far more expensive than the RE-7500, but still we can get some hints by watching the video. The language is Brazilian Portuguese, but the words are not important for someone who has re balled ICs before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQeanpujmuM&feature=related

[Deusjevoo]

Though this isn't a Jovy RE-7500 video, if we watch closely, we can learn something about re-balling the 360 from this video. The machine used in the video is far, far more expensive than the RE-7500, but still we can get some hints by watching the video. The language is Brazilian Portuguese, but the words are not important for someone who has re balled ICs before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQeanpujmuM&feature=related

LInk does not work.
Correct please.
Thanks in advance.

Regards.

[Trion]

Just tested it. It is working. Just click on it.

[Deusjevoo]

Just tested it. It is working. Just click on it.

Sorry, doesn't work for me.
Get this error:
The URL contained a malformed video ID.

Greets

[Trion]

If the link doesn't work, its called "Reballing x box 360". Another well made video is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndeq6cAA8MY&NR=1 . Its called "Xbox 360 BGA Reflow". The second video gives you a way of doing it with a hot air gun and an electric heater as a griddle. This isn't really recommended, but its certainly better than the hotgun fixes.

[Trion]

Note to all who read this thread: the xclamp fixes, the rubber (eraser) fixes, the penny fix, the towel fix, etc are useless to get the 360 to work for long term.They are only temporary. The only proper fix is to reflow the GPU and CPU and if need be; reball them. Reballing might be needed only in some cases.

[MISTER_CHIP]

Days I have been trying to set a profile and can not succeed. These are my charts and the ramp can not be adjusted better.

[img] http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/7279/dctxicsfernando.png [img]

This is the graph of another colleague who has Jovy RE-7500:

[img] http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3771/graficadctxicsjvyjuanjo.png [img]

I do not work well this RE-7500

Best Regards

[Trion]

Besides charts, show us videos or at least pictures of how you are adjusting heater height and positioning the temperature probe.

[Trion]

When i was new to the machine, i too had similar problems, then i learnt i was using the wrong heater height. Probe placement also affects reading. Do bend the tip the way jovy shows and place it next to the chip being soldered/desoldered on the PCB.

[gixxer_gixxer]

OK guys, the problem we have here with these cheaper rework machines(i.e. jovy 7500) is the size of the bottom heater (i.e. about 160 X 160), in order to repair a large bga chip( gpu or cpu) on the xbox 360, you need a pre-heater that covers the full motherboard, what happens with these cheaper machines is that in the process because of the thickness of the pcb and material its made from and with a small pre heater, the board 'domes up' where centre of base heater is in relation the bga chip at 200 deg c plus(we need higher temp with unleaded), this causes very uneven contact on bga chip and if you get a successful reflow then its more luck than anything else, also the profile graphs I have seen on this forum for the jovy will never work for un-leaded reflow/ rework WHY? its simple the graphs show max temp at the probe of below 200 deg c, and at what temp does unleaded reflow? check your data sheets :-) , the only way you will get a result with these cheaper machines is to remove BGA chip, clean it up etc and then re-ball with leaded solder balls/paste with this we can use the profiles <200deg c possible, so in my eyes its up to jovy to provide larger pre-heater for unit. The jovy 7500 is a very good machine for the money don't get me wrong it can do a lot of good work on pcbs and is well supported, but I don't think its OK for xbox 360, can you prove me wrong?;)

[gixxer_gixxer]

Hi Guys, I have just watched the videos on the links shown previously in this forum, the xbox gpu reflow is not an xbox 360 gpu, if you notice all the reflow temps on these videos occur at 185 deg c, this concludes that the solder is LEADED, what we need from jovy is a video of a successful xbox 360 gpu/cpu reflow, this will never occur at 185 deg c because xbox 360 has unleaded solder!

[MISTER_CHIP]

The Reballing Kit JOVY is false and useless.

Why not have a Spanish-speaking forum JOVY SYSTEMS?

Best Regards.

[quirmche]

OK guys, the problem we have here with these cheaper rework machines(i.e. jovy 7500) is the size of the bottom heater (i.e. about 160 X 160), in order to repair a large bga chip( gpu or cpu) on the xbox 360, you need a pre-heater that covers the full motherboard, what happens with these cheaper machines is that in the process because of the thickness of the pcb and material its made from and with a small pre heater, the board 'domes up' where centre of base heater is in relation the bga chip at 200 deg c plus(we need higher temp with unleaded), this causes very uneven contact on bga chip and if you get a successful reflow then its more luck than anything else, also the profile graphs I have seen on this forum for the jovy will never work for un-leaded reflow/ rework WHY? its simple the graphs show max temp at the probe of below 200 deg c, and at what temp does unleaded reflow? check your data sheets :-) , the only way you will get a result with these cheaper machines is to remove BGA chip, clean it up etc and then re-ball with leaded solder balls/paste with this we can use the profiles <200deg c possible, so in my eyes its up to jovy to provide larger pre-heater for unit. The jovy 7500 is a very good machine for the money don't get me wrong it can do a lot of good work on pcbs and is well supported, but I don't think its OK for xbox 360, can you prove me wrong?;)

What system, if not Jovy do you recommend, or for that matter what pre heater?:confused:

[Trion]

gixxer_gixxer has only seen videos. I have repaired equipment with this machine and its a source of income for me. It indeed is well capable of reflowing Lead free PCBs without warping the boards or damaging chips. I have repaired Xbox 360s and HP DV 2000, 6000, 9000 sries laptops besides Compaq V 3000 series laptop boards where the NVIDIA lead free GPU has to be relowed. I do this using the lead free profile in the machine. I start by running the machine on preheat for a few mins and then place the board on it. This way i start the process at around 45-50 degrees and generally i get a good reflow as per the profile. Sure it may be slightly different from the profile graph, but its ok. You need to bend the temperature probe to get proper temperature readings. Also i use AMTECH flux.

The machine's preheater is more than adequate for repairing XBOX 360s besides all other consoles, laptop and desktop motherboards, mobile phone PCBs, etc. I have fixed these with this machine.

It is true that initially it takes some time to learn to handle the machine. Its only impatient people who are whining about not being able to get it to work. They don't realize that it might be they who are doing something wrong.

Working with infra red is quite different from working with hot air. But its well worth the effort put into learning it.

[razzy35uk]

My friends, am sorry i haven't posted here in a while. The heating method as i had shown here way back is a temporary fix. As Raheeeb said, its better to reflow the joints rather than just heating the parts as i was doing. This requires higher temperatures and the process is different. In some cases its even better to reball the CPU and GPU. Kits are now available on the net for doing this. The best solution would be to remove the ICs and reball them with leaded solder paste (yes i did say lead based solder and NOT ROHS solders that cause the problem). This along with improving the cooling as give on the Llama forums besides other forums will be a more lasting solution.

Please be warned that the methods mentioned in the post above this one on the You tube videos are temporary fixes too and mainly work by putting pressure on the balls. Then as the borad starts heating and warping the board starts giving problems again that get progressively worse. The you tube works only for short periods.

even better than the llama forums ` go here after using sync and eject to get error code it will tell you which chips need reworking in its database

hope this helps
http://xbox-experts.com/errorcodes.php

[razzy35uk]

OK guys, the problem we have here with these cheaper rework machines(i.e. jovy 7500) is the size of the bottom heater (i.e. about 160 X 160), in order to repair a large bga chip( gpu or cpu) on the xbox 360, you need a pre-heater that covers the full motherboard, what happens with these cheaper machines is that in the process because of the thickness of the pcb and material its made from and with a small pre heater, the board 'domes up' where centre of base heater is in relation the bga chip at 200 deg c plus(we need higher temp with unleaded), this causes very uneven contact on bga chip and if you get a successful reflow then its more luck than anything else, also the profile graphs I have seen on this forum for the jovy will never work for un-leaded reflow/ rework WHY? its simple the graphs show max temp at the probe of below 200 deg c, and at what temp does unleaded reflow? check your data sheets :-) , the only way you will get a result with these cheaper machines is to remove BGA chip, clean it up etc and then re-ball with leaded solder balls/paste with this we can use the profiles <200deg c possible, so in my eyes its up to jovy to provide larger pre-heater for unit. The jovy 7500 is a very good machine for the money don't get me wrong it can do a lot of good work on pcbs and is well supported, but I don't think its OK for xbox 360, can you prove me wrong?;)

thats what pcb supports are there for

[Burnt Cobba]

this RROD is a plague on the xbox 360. I was informed that even the Jasper models have this problem. Practically it seems that all versions have it .... no exceptions. Its time that M$ modifies the design. Reflowing and reballing will fix it for months but at the end it will return back to RROD being itself a design fault.

[MISTER_CHIP]

Why not have a Spanish-speaking forum JOVY SYSTEMS?

Best Regards.


In Spain we are trying JOVY comparisons between the 7500 and ACHI machines.

we are all in: http://www.reballing.es/ and we are waiting for us there.

We need support or help with Jovy profiles. Please come in, using a translator and talk about your experiences about Reballing.

Excuse the bad translation

Best regards.
http://www.reballing.es

[Raheeeeb]

Important Video

Link is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTml3-M5D-g&NR=1

Regards to all

[razzy35uk]

cannot upload the profiles it says invalid file type so i zip them up and it still says upload failed ` how can i upload these profiles on here ?
regards

[MISTER_CHIP]

Important Video

Link is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTml3-M5D-g&NR=1

Regards to all

I have got another interesting video:

http://www.reballing.es/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=105

Best Regards.