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ALieN_CHeMiST
07-31-2002, 06:19
Seen what? Topic is not there
THEKILLER
07-31-2002, 06:55
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Not an uncommon site today on this forum - topics dissapearing with no explanation!
Please, if you have time Buffoon - mail me details (I'd like to know what it was that dissapeared!) or better yet, post on a forum where the topic will remain!
Rgds
unit algounit_dct4;
interface
uses MBUS_Constants;
type
Array8= array[0..7] of byte;
var
MirrorRecdIMEI, Calced8Bytes, RecdIMEI, XOREncodedIMEI: array8;
Lookup1Cntr, RollOver1, RollOver2: byte;
const
{$I maskarr.inc} //maskarray
{$I tblook1.inc}
{$I tblook2.inc}
{$I tblook3.inc}
DecodeIMEIMask:array8=($4A,$33,$78,$90,$11,$AF,$F2 ,$3C);
EncodeIMEIMask:array8=($30,$49,$02,$EA,$6B,$D5,$88 ,$46);
BitsOrder:array[0..16] of byte=(0,3,6,1,4,7,2,5,0,3,6,1,4,7,2,5,0);
procedure dct4_CalcSP(SomeImei: string; var SLMatrix: TSLMatrix);
implementation
procedure XORIMEI(Mask,SourceImei: array8; var DestIMEI: array8);
var f: integer;
a: byte;
begin
for f:=0 to 7 do begin
a:=Mask[f];
DestIMEI[f]:=SourceIMEI[f] xor a;
end;
end;
procedure MaskIMEI(var SomeRollOver: byte; Idx: integer; SomeMirror: array8; var DestIMEI: array8);
var f,g: integer;
a: byte;
begin
g:=0;
for f:=Idx to (Idx+7) do begin
a:=MaskArray[f] xor $FF;
inc(SomeRollOver,a);
DestIMEI[g]:=SomeMirror[g] xor a;
inc(g);
end;
end;
function Lookup1(var Counter: byte; SomeXorEncodedIMEI: array8):byte;
var a,R0,R6,R7: byte;
f: integer;
begin
Lookup1:=0;
if Counter>136 then exit;
R6:=Counter;a:=R6;
inc(Counter);
a:=a and 7;
a:=SomeXOREncodedIMEI[a];
R7:=a;
a:=R6;
//a:=(a shr 3) and $1F;
asm
push ax
mov al,a
rcr al,1
rcr al,1
rcr al,1
and al,$1F
mov a,al
pop ax
end;
a:=BitsOrder[a];
R0:=a;
a:=R7;
//inc(R0);
for f:=1 to R0 do begin
asm
push ax
mov al,a
rol al,1
mov a, al
pop ax
end;
end;
R7:=a;
a:=R6;
a:=TblLookup3[a] xor $FF;
inc(a,R7);
R7:=a;
Lookup1:=R7;
end;
procedure Calc_1(SomeXorEncodedIMEI: array8; var DestIMEI: array8);
var
f: integer;
LookUpCtr: byte;
a,b: byte;
begin
LookupCtr:=0;
for f:=0 to 7 do begin
//no-lookup operations here
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
DestIMEI[0]:=DestIMEI[0] xor a;
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
DestIMEI[1]:=DestIMEI[1] + a;
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
DestIMEI[2]:=DestIMEI[2] + a;
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
DestIMEI[3]:=DestIMEI[3] xor a;
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
DestIMEI[4]:=DestIMEI[4] xor a;
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
DestIMEI[5]:=DestIMEI[5] + a;
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
DestIMEI[6]:=DestIMEI[6] + a;
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
DestIMEI[7]:=DestIMEI[7] xor a;
//Lookup operations here
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
b:=TblLookup1[DestIMEI[0]] xor $FF;
DestIMEI[0]:=b+a;
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
b:=TblLookup2[DestIMEI[1]] xor $FF;
DestIMEI[1]:=b xor a;
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
b:=TblLookup2[DestIMEI[2]] xor $FF;
DestIMEI[2]:=b xor a;
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
b:=TblLookup1[DestIMEI[3]] xor $FF;
DestIMEI[3]:=b+a;
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
b:=TblLookup1[DestIMEI[4]] xor $FF;
DestIMEI[4]:=b+a;
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
b:=TblLookup2[DestIMEI[5]] xor $FF;
DestIMEI[5]:=b xor a;
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
b:=TblLookup2[DestIMEI[6]] xor $FF;
DestIMEI[6]:=b xor a;
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
b:=TblLookup1[DestIMEI[7]] xor $FF;
DestIMEI[7]:=b+a;
//Permutations here
a:=DestIMEI[0]; //perm 1
inc(a,DestIMEI[1]);
DestIMEI[1]:=a;
inc(a,DestIMEI[0]);
DestIMEI[0]:=a;
a:=DestIMEI[2]; //perm 2
inc(a,DestIMEI[3]);
DestIMEI[3]:=a;
inc(a,DestIMEI[2]);
DestIMEI[2]:=a;
a:=DestIMEI[4]; //perm 3
inc(a,DestIMEI[5]);
DestIMEI[5]:=a;
inc(a,DestIMEI[4]);
DestIMEI[4]:=a;
a:=DestIMEI[6]; //perm 4
inc(a,DestIMEI[7]);
DestIMEI[7]:=a;
inc(a,DestIMEI[6]);
DestIMEI[6]:=a;
a:=DestIMEI[0]; //perm 5
inc(a,DestIMEI[2]);
DestIMEI[2]:=a;
inc(a,DestIMEI[0]);
DestIMEI[0]:=a;
a:=DestIMEI[4]; //perm 6
inc(a,DestIMEI[6]);
DestIMEI[6]:=a;
inc(a,DestIMEI[4]);
DestIMEI[4]:=a;
a:=DestIMEI[1]; //perm 7
inc(a,DestIMEI[3]);
DestIMEI[3]:=a;
inc(a,DestIMEI[1]);
DestIMEI[1]:=a;
a:=DestIMEI[5]; //perm 8
inc(a,DestIMEI[7]);
DestIMEI[7]:=a;
inc(a,DestIMEI[5]);
DestIMEI[5]:=a;
a:=DestIMEI[0]; //perm 9
inc(a,DestIMEI[4]);
DestIMEI[4]:=a;
inc(a,DestIMEI[0]);
DestIMEI[0]:=a;
a:=DestIMEI[1]; //perm 10
inc(a,DestIMEI[5]);
DestIMEI[5]:=a;
inc(a,DestIMEI[1]);
DestIMEI[1]:=a;
a:=DestIMEI[2]; //perm 11
inc(a,DestIMEI[6]);
DestIMEI[6]:=a;
inc(a,DestIMEI[2]);
DestIMEI[2]:=a;
a:=DestIMEI[3]; //perm 12
inc(a,DestIMEI[7]);
DestIMEI[7]:=a;
inc(a,DestIMEI[3]);
DestIMEI[3]:=a;
//Final swap //perm 13
a:=DestIMEI[1];
DestIMEI[1]:=DestIMEI[4];
DestIMEI[4]:=DestIMEI[2];
DestIMEI[2]:=a;
a:=DestIMEI[3];
DestIMEI[3]:=DestIMEI[5];
DestIMEI[5]:=DestIMEI[6];
DestIMEI[6]:=a;
end;
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
DestIMEI[0]:=DestIMEI[0] xor a;
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
DestIMEI[1]:=DestIMEI[1] + a;
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
DestIMEI[2]:=DestIMEI[2] + a;
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
DestIMEI[3]:=DestIMEI[3] xor a;
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
DestIMEI[4]:=DestIMEI[4] xor a;
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
DestIMEI[5]:=DestIMEI[5] + a;
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
DestIMEI[6]:=DestIMEI[6] + a;
a:=lookup1(LookUpCtr,SomeXorEncodedIMEI);
DestIMEI[7]:=DestIMEI[7] xor a;
end;
function Hex2int(Digit: Char): byte;
var b: byte;
c: char;
begin
c:=Digit;
b:=ord(c);
if (b<=$39) and (b>=$30) then b:=b-$30
else
b:=b-$41+10;
Hex2Int:=b;
end;
procedure dct4_CalcSP(SomeImei: string; var SLMatrix: TSLMatrix);
var
f,g,h: integer;
a,b: byte;
begin
f:=0;g:=0;
FillChar(SLMatrix,SizeOf(SLMatrix),0);
repeat
a:=(Hex2Int(SomeIMEI[f+1]))*16;
b:=Hex2Int(SomeIMEI[f+2]);
RecdIMEI[g]:=a + b;
inc(f,2);
inc(g);
until f=14;
RecdIMEI[7]:=$00;
for f:=0 to 7 do MirrorRecdIMEI[f]:=0; //Initialize mirror array
XORIMEI(DecodeIMEIMask,RecdIMEI,XOREncodedIMEI); //calculate XOR Encoded IMEI
RollOver1:=0; RollOver2:=0; //init CRC counters
f:=0;
repeat
MaskIMEI(RollOver1, f, MirrorRecdIMEI, Calced8Bytes);
Calc_1(XorEncodedIMEI, Calced8Bytes);
h:=0;
for g:=f to (f+7) do begin
a:=Calced8Bytes[h];
mirrorrecdimei[h]:=a;
SLMatrix[g]:=a; inc(h);
inc(RollOver2,a);
end;
inc(f,8);
until f=$3a0;
//Here calculation of verification data
Calced8Bytes[0]:=RollOver1;
Calced8Bytes[1]:=not RollOver1;
Calced8Bytes[2]:=RollOver2;
Calced8Bytes[3]:=not RollOver2;
Calced8Bytes[4]:=$5B;
Calced8Bytes[5]:=$72;
Calced8Bytes[6]:=$AE;
Calced8Bytes[7]:=$36;
XORIMEI(EncodeIMEIMask,RecdIMEI,XOREncodedIMEI);
Calc_1(XorEncodedIMEI, Calced8Bytes);
for f:=$3a0 to $3a7 do SLMatrix[f]:=Calced8Bytes[f-$3a0];
end;
end.
And now you have it!
This time it wont be edited, deleted or moved!!!
:D :D :D
Lol,
Nothing special - not what I was expecting!
Was given out by er2000 himself on PlanetGSM once the stuff was stolen..
And yeh - it IS for real.. Has been confirmed by a friend (TechTron) who has tested it .. All he needs is the last MBUS command to set SP data and we'll have a free, open source prog written in delphi/object-pascal!
You can help him by logging the mbus comms with commlite and mailing them to me (I'll pass them on) in the following way:
1. Download Comlite32 from http://www.rtcard.com/cliteb5/cliteb5.exe
2. Install & Start program
3. Select "Control" > "Connection Mode"
4. Select "Single Line Mode and COM1 port. Press OK,OK
5. Press "F2", and connect locked mobile+power it up.(or unlocked phone, if
you dont have locked)
6. Now Run "JIC Unlocker" and UNLOCK
7. When done close "JIC Unlocker"
8. Switch back to Comlite32 you sould see some data, save buffer to file.
9. Send buffer file to me
Thanks :D
I disagree davieb about it being special, I beleive it was special and once again deleted by a moderator who obviously had an interest in not letting this be posted (I wonder who and why) once again we see posts being deleted and edited to enable those in the know to keep making money.
the problem is when news like this gets out then it takes more than a few tin pot moderators/dictators to keep it under wraps
regards
CW :mad: :mad: :mad:
Yeh, I didn't try to negate the importance of the deleted post- just of its contents (Their on many sites now, including the JIC forums, posted there by er2000!)
I think this forum is good, but if we want to keep up with the current event, we need to look at other forums also (PlanetGSM, NFREE, etc)
This forums policy, whereby moderators are (as you say) dictators is causing problems for those who can't afford the £10000 solutions in advance of us all. The posts regarding FAiD gone missing were the most appawling, as half of them were mine - giving free software developed with the help of many people!
I think things need sorting!
Chances are, this post too will dissapear as it goes against the word of some moderator (tho maybe not, now I've said it - they dont want to look like real dictators do they???)
...
What subject was in the deleted thread?
Who posted it ?
I which forum?
I look in the log-file who deleted the treads..
The post was at http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51206
But its not the only one (I dont keep track of the others) - they just dissapear on the whim of mods, usually under the guise of being off topic for the forum its posted in!
I will make a list in future - it might interest you!
Anyway, thanks for looking into it..
Regards
I guess whilst mods trade there will always be some posts dissapearing in their forum..
it aint just on here either, it happens on all forums where money can be made.
Its everyones instincts to protect their business.. if a mod is already earning from a particular thing they will try to keep it under wraps.
ALieN_CHeMiST
08-01-2002, 02:04
Then maybe the current Mods need to be reviewed, not that I have anything against them. But if the forum is going to be a sales platform for a select few to sell their products for ridiculous prices they might as well close the board and just send us a newsletter once a month telling us whats new. The idea of a forum for enthusiasts and proffesionals to share their knowledge seems quite utopian now. Maybe the reason you can rate threads is just the beggining of a masterplan by the mods to charge for access to the best rated threads. Nothing would surprise me now!! I understand that people have products and they want to sell them, but the sales section resembles a political arena with hints of cloak and dagger novel. From GSM to character assasination, all is welcome. And you're right davieb, it needs to be sorted. Maybe some sort of user council could get access to the logs once a week or something to review the actions taken by the moderators?
Just a thought
@Jim:
Wow - I like your thinking and idea of a council is quite creative!
Why dont we take it further? A sort of GSM community council?
With branches (Board moderation (then a subsection for each board), trade (with powers to request council members and associates impose a ban on trade with known cheaters), and some more)?
Just an idea - but it could bring to the GSM community the balance it has needed for some time. For big traders/developers this would be good - no-one could crash the market without fear of abbandonment by the council...
Of course - if established correctly, we'd have many people involved (traders, board admins, board mods, developers - all from a variety of countries) acting as checks and balances for each other ensuring power is not abused?
I don't know - might sound crazy but I think a "council" could fix many of the scene's problems today and may be a valuable thing to have in the future!
Please - get back, on the thread, everyone, and share your thoughts!
NOKIANEEDS
08-01-2002, 02:27
top idea, but electing these members of the council maybe a problem in itself
Hi,
The idea of a "GSM Council" sounds good, but it will always have a problem!
How do you expect people to stop from crashing market prices?
These elements will always do so, anything for a quick buck!!!
As for the consumers, they will always buy from a cheap source if the product seems to be genuine and in some cases not genuine!
The so called council will have a lot of headaches, from my point of view!
And yes, who would elect the council, how much money will be "bunged"!!!
@J:
I suppose, but if we take the council to have 2 categorys of people involved:
Those with Seats, who are directly involved in the running of the council, council related work and those respected in the gsm community, and
Members - those with access to council services as long as they follow the rules.
Now, to be a member, you'd have to follow the rules - If we have something worth offering then perhaps members (consumers) will stick to the guidelines?
They might not buy from more expensive retailers but we'd have a better community as a whole
As for preventing market crashes - if everyone does act as a check for everyone else, we can make sure the technology developed in the council stays there (perhaps a reasearch branch, concentrating on secure end user products??)
@NokiaNeeds:
Well, you may be right there - perhaps we could run non-competitive elections over say, a month? Whereby people are nominated then voted for, for a particular seat (e.g. r&d, one of the retail seats, etc)? The holder of the seat then organises his/her "staff" as they see fit..
Of course - NO-ONEwould be garunteed a seat - all "elections" would happen fairly.
Anyone found to be in abuse of power will have their seat revoked (after appropriate discussion with seat holders of course)..
The way internet standards are developed is, and initial idea is put forward (in an RFC) then refined by those involved or wishing to participate. We could do this with the council - someone could start off with a list of recommended departments, amount of seats per departement (e.g. retail would have enough seats to encompass the major retails from which the initial products come, not resellers - tho the end product security research team would hold only one seat)
I am not suggesting this would be "quick-to-press" and it WOULD need a fair amount of planning but I think if everyone wanted it enough it could come into existance thru cooperation and work!
It have a major effect on the gsm community as a whole and therefor have many implications that need to be understood!
As for direct money contributions - I can't say..
I'm just elaborating on Jim's idea of a board council..
For it to be fair - we'd have to have input from all who wish to be involved!
ALieN_CHeMiST
08-01-2002, 02:51
I was thinking more of protecting the use of the forum for it's members than the traders. So that when something becomes public knowledge it is public knowledge and not hampered by traders who still have stock. The danger of market crashes would be avoided with realistic prices in the first place. The user council would have to be randomly selected every so often, at least part of it just to maintain the idea of a user council!! Maybe use the amount of posts or the rating of a member to qualify to be selected. With 15000 members there must be a few truly impartial people with a bit of common sense.
Yehp - I suppose your right there!
What I suggested was, of course, not a replacement of your idea but rather an expansion!
The different branches would allow for both user and retailer protection!
I myself am a user - into r&d more that retail (my age and earnings prohibit me becoming a major retailer in the market)
I just thought it may solidify the scene (not just the market) - if it's a bad or unimplementable idea then, lol, lemme know :D
jeeez does everything have to be money based, why should it even be considered "A Market"..
I thought these sort of forums were really for hobbyists and a group of people to help each other learn a bit and mayb save each other a few quid.
Myself Ive worked on a few different little projects in many ways similar to gsm (never actually gsm yet but I am taking a interest now).
I would never dream of charging joe public fortunes for anything I consider to be a hack, about everything I have worked on has been for the pleasure of doing it. My payment has always been the pleasure I got in suceeding in what I attempt, and the thanks and appreciation from others Ive shared with.
I spose I'll never be rich with this way of thinking.. But at least Im always happy, unlike many of the gsm traders now.
@CRowmAN:
Yehp - I feel the same way... But if you were to try to use it to stabilise the scene and you missed out the retail market then you'd probably not have support from the retailers
You'll soon learn money/retail has pretty much taken over the scene these days - Check out NFREE forums tho for a more develpment/hack type approach to things!
ALieN_CHeMiST
08-01-2002, 03:36
@davieb: my post was intended to appear after J's. I hadn't seen your reply:-)
I think you might be laying the foundations for a user council. At least we've bought certain issues to light!!
@CRowmAN: U got the right idea:-))
Lol, I do it all the time (open a window, post a reply, forget to refresh and post :D)
Well, if it works out - fair enough! If not, was just a possible suggestion :D
I am so glad that this post was at least noticed by Zfrank as this is not the first time this has been overlooked, many have complained bitterly since DCT3 was finally put to bed by dejan about BIG brother Syndrome.
On DCT4 being free there were to my knowledge 3 posts deleted for no reason other than financial even a post by er2000 himself telling everyone that this was now free was deleted by the Mods and I know many of the old and trusted members are leaving in droves because of this unfair abuse of the board.
if we cannot regulate ourselves then maybe we should get rid of the Sales Forum as this in my opinion is the downslide of this once great Forum that is failing fast to commercial pressures.
Regards
CW
marketmike
08-01-2002, 08:16
Understand the sentiments behind such an idea but I reckon it's unworkable myself.
The web moves at such speed it's impossible too control, and afterall is the web not about freedom and lack of control?
Just as "The developers" couldn't control the market for long, neither can anyone else. I still think if the initial purchase price of DCT4 had been at the level we saw for the last few weeks a lot of traders would have happily bought the dongle etc as I did. Because of the games and attempts at controlling the price beyond what the consumer would bear look what happens.
End of the day there are plenty of forums on the web, personally I still rate this as the best, but the regular reports of threads being deleted or altered is becoming worrying.
Guess we'll all vote with our mouses over the coming months which forums we continue too visit.
You want to make a council?!?!
Bwahahahahahahha...wadda joke!!!
Guys i put ONE simple question to you...who would you trust?
At the end of the day how do you know the new elected mods were trustworthy?
The way i see it is that ANYTHING can be bought...for the right price...mods included! It would be a waste of time as greed gets the best of everyone especially in the virtual world such as this.
It would make no difference whatsoever as to the outcome of new elected mods. I think mods are doing a great job in here with the exception of a few (pointing NO fingers)
zfrank and other admins need to keep a tight grip of the deleted posts etc. I feel that for every post that is deleted there should be a PUBLIC LOG as to WHY it got deleted maybe zfrank can incorporate this into the forum as this would make clear as to the reasoning behind the post being deleted. Just a crapy message saying 'incorrect section' IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
As to the forum itself i rate it No1 on the NET, since joining it i have gained a wealth of knowledge and not to mention free software!
I, like market mike, bought a dongle for £150 quid on tuesday and on the following saturday it whent free...i was not bothered about this as i have said in my last posts i rather pay and get support for a reasonable price rather than an irrecoverable one.
If this deleteing thing continues no-one will trust anyone else in here and may result in a decline in sales via this forum and even worse mass movement of people from this forum to others.
Thanks for reading.
Even a message posted by Dejan was deleted by Y2k when he give his flasher program free to us and this was the reply of Dejan
Dejan Kaljevic
Junior Member
Registered: Feb 2001
Member: 3354
Location:
Posts: 20
To Y2K
What do you mean "Off Topic"
Without me you never be able to have "Flasher"
section!
Also, my software is tool for "Flasher" that allows changing MCU & PPM.
Again, my site is: http://users.net.yu/~dejan/
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02-24-2002 18:53
And this was the reply from Y2k
Y2K
Administrator
Registered: May 1999
Member: 69
Location: home
Posts: 312
dejan you got mail!
__________________
best regards Y2K
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02-24-2002 19:18
Dejan Off Topic hahahaha lol
Originally posted by carlito
Even a message posted by Dejan was deleted by Y2k when he give his flasher program free to us and this was the reply of Dejan
Dejan Kaljevic
Junior Member
Registered: Feb 2001
Member: 3354
Location:
Posts: 20
To Y2K
What do you mean "Off Topic"
Without me you never be able to have "Flasher"
section!
Also, my software is tool for "Flasher" that allows changing MCU & PPM.
Again, my site is: http://users.net.yu/~dejan/
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02-24-2002 18:53
And this was the reply from Y2k
Y2K
Administrator
Registered: May 1999
Member: 69
Location: home
Posts: 312
dejan you got mail!
__________________
best regards Y2K
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02-24-2002 19:18
Dejan Off Topic hahahaha lol
Hi,
Please dont bring this old story here !
Y2K was 100 % right. Dejan is nothing more than any other
member.
If he wants to be here he needs to follow basic rules like everyone else.
If you think he is a g o d - please feel free to pray in your house,
not here. We dont like the way he comes here and strike
with his thunder lights !
How many times he answered a question in 10 pages thread ?
The guy just use this place like a private message board.
But I aggree with davie about the er2000 posting 2 days ago ( the one with the Hex).
It was so funny - I opened it and while reading pressed refresh and the Topic was gone.
Sometimes even my postings in Sales got edited - I think is kinda
not proffesional to edit other Moderators postings, but maybe
whoever does this - has his good reasons.
BR
BufferMess
08-01-2002, 16:43
To Bph&co
Have you ever tried to find out who edited your posts? I think it is not so hard!
I don`t know whether a moderator has privileges to edit other mods post but I think within few months our forum is going to weaken.
Best Regards
Sean
Bhp&Co
I dont agree with you mate when you say Dejan comes and goes...after all like the post sugests there would not be a flasher section if it was not for him!!! and how can you say pray to him in your own house?! It was his research that brought us the DCT-3 and now may even bring DCT-4?
All haaaill dejan *bow* *bow*
OK so his postings are few and far between mate BUT remember i bet you most people in this forum have joined or remain faithful to this forum is because of his postings and free software which he has provided over the last year. I give repect where its due and Dejan Deserves a lot for what he has done. He has given more valuable and FREE software on here than anyone else!
But i agree with you it is funny how threads go missing, admin needs to do more to keep a track and its not hard to find out who deleted what thread.
Hi,
Well you have the right to cherish him as much as you like, but the
words you say only prove that you have only surface knowledge
about this business.
1. All the Reverse Engineering Dejan does is not unique and I can
tell you the names of at least of 3 people that are better programmers and Reverse Engineeres than him. They just prefer
to stay in the shadow.
2. If you go back in History you will see that all his free releases
were because he wanted to harm other peoples business, lead
by greed and envy, not because he is Father of Hackers and
like people like you and does this for fun.
3. And for the last 3 years in this Forum I have been reading posts
by a thousands of members and there is only one who never answer questions to help others or enter any discussion, but the same time create a mess for monhts. You know his name.
I respect your opinion, because you have one. But I still stay
behind Y2K - even no one else agree with him that time.
Best Reagards
Im sorry but I cant undersand this bit of the last post
2. If you go back in History you will see that all his free releases
were because he wanted to harm other peoples business, lead
by greed and envy, not because he is Father of Hackers and
like people like you and does this for fun.
I respect people like Dejan who GIVE their work away, They spend many many many hours studying for the benefit of all of us.
The thing I cant understand here... where is Dejans greed ??
His GIVE his work away for free..
The only greed I see here is the greed of the big traders and wannabe traders who were charging small fortunes for all the hacks and are kinda miffed coz even dct4 is free..
At the end of the day unlocking a phone is a hack and its people like Dejan who have made it all possible.. If it harms other peoples business then thats kinda tough luck... if Dejan is doing it for free why should others earn from his work and other people like him.
im afraid i agree with crownman i think dejan has no motive, when people sell for extortionous prices i and a long with many people agree that people like dejan are a ***send, after all monopolising something is wrong, and for critisising people who release thier OWN work is wrong also.
I respect other peoples opinions but i would rather give my work away and claim fame rather than be hacked by my own employees (DCT-4) who claim to be my friend and then steal work just to make a few quid.
i can understand the frustration for people who invest big amounts of money into a project only to find it is free the next day because some 4ssw1pe has hacked it. If the price was right in the first place you would sell a lot more units AND if someone was to steal or hack your software then it would not be such a big deal anyway as people would respect the value for money they have recieved and would then willingly stick up for software authors/distributors and BUY AGAIN.
just my thoughts.
thanks for reading.
Hi all
I think this is getting off topic now but Bph&co is not saying Dejan is not a good guy he is saying that he is motivated by the same market forces that have crept up in this topic and he is right Dejan has only given away anything to either stop others making money or to make money himself.
1.DCT3 was given away in "*******" competition with Zulea and his Nokey box (Remember those)
2.DCT3 FAID Calculation was given away with IMEI software after it was cracked again to stop people making money.
3.IMEI changing was sold at 10.000 a pop then given away to stop others that hacked it making money.
4.Dejan will probably release DCT4 unlock now he wont make anymore from it, but you wont see him giving any IMEI solution until he makes his money or someone else works it out.
Dejan is in this game to make money like anyone else and only gives when it serves his purpose.
Please dont start shouting ungrateful because your wrong I am very grateful and have said this many times, but he is not G0D and I wont bow to serve him, he is a very intelligent man who deserves alot of credit for his work but Bph&co is still correct you only got given what you got to spite someone else full stop.
Regards
Charlie
Originally posted by Bph&co
Hi,
Please dont bring this old story here !
Y2K was 100 % right. Dejan is nothing more than any other
member.
If he wants to be here he needs to follow basic rules like everyone else.
If you think he is a g o d - please feel free to pray in your house,
not here. We dont like the way he comes here and strike
with his thunder lights !
How many times he answered a question in 10 pages thread ?
The guy just use this place like a private message board.
But I aggree with davie about the er2000 posting 2 days ago ( the one with the Hex).
It was so funny - I opened it and while reading pressed refresh and the Topic was gone.
Sometimes even my postings in Sales got edited - I think is kinda
not proffesional to edit other Moderators postings, but maybe
whoever does this - has his good reasons.
BR
:D :D :D
are you trying to be funny?
ALieN_CHeMiST
08-02-2002, 03:22
See what I mean about this forum!!!! We started talking about deleted posts and the personal stuff is coming out already. I don't give a toss if "A" is a better programmer than "B".
What matters is that A has no power over what B decides to give away, for whatever reason.
@Bph&Co: You're a moderator yourself and claim to have had posts deleted, but you seem to not have questioned why or by who. What are we moderating?? Language? Or what we eat? Or what gets published and what not.? What are good reasons for editing a post? You sell your box of tricks for 100, I still have 25 left that cost me 100. So I edit your post so I can sell my 25 useless boxes and don't loose my precious money. The punter's loose out because your box is better and cheaper than mine, but anytime someone goes to post something good about your product (or bad of mine) I use the power of Mod to remove/delete/postpone or even re-write the whole thread!!
Forum? I don't think so, more like the Senate if you catch my drift.
Or, mybe this is what you are looking for ?
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Hi,
To Charly: thanks for understanding - it is visible that you follow
what has been going on for the last few years. It is sad that all
this is not known by most of the members and a lot of people
feel under estimated and they just prefer to go away.
Typical example is the good friend of mine Y2K - who had all the
anger and rage of most members just because he didnt follow the
common opinion. He used to help a lot of people, but as you know
he is not with us for a long time...
To Bads: I dont have anything against programers giving their
work for free. I just see this history repeating - giving free becauce of hate - nothing more.
To Alien: Maybe you know maybe not - I dont really care do we
sell or not. I feel better if dont fight over business, simply not worth it.
Hopefully the things we do are usefull to somebody. Yes not all
of them are free, but hacking HW require money, I am not rich so
need to have something to invest, sorry.
Yes I aggree that editing posts in favour to sell your product is
bad, but only demand create supply so why not you guys spent
some time making products and give them not cheap - give them
free on the first time. All of us will be so happy, we all be friends,
and this discussion will be useless.
Best Regards
It is true that some moderators on this site abuse their position and powers to benifit their own pockets! NO names mentioned!
Admin - There is a vbulletin hack which logs every action of every moderator! Maybe you should install this if u havent done so already! :)
BufferMess
08-03-2002, 15:56
Thanks Meam. I pointed my question to Bph&Co but get right answer from you!
Best Regards
Sean Archer
marketmike
08-04-2002, 03:07
As mentioned this thread seems too have gone "Off Topic", so far the best idea I've seen is the public log and reasons for editing or deleting a thread/post.
Such an idea would only take a little extra work for the mods, but the transparency or not of their decisions would hopefully allay any fears amongst posters behind their reasons.
Anyway, doubt much more can be said, hopefully the admin and other's will consider such an idea for the benefit of all concerned.
gsmxxx:
vbulletin hack you say! Great maybe this can be incorporated into a public deleted/moved section.
Main way i see it that this can work is to force a link to be created in the original thread to a public 'reasons' section where the reason for the move is declared. This way the thread is moved easily and a comprehesive log is created of ALL reasons for movement/deletion.
This thread is going off topic, someone close it.
Cheers all.
@Legija Dongle? Dct-4 Clip?
Please tell to us;)
Hex from Legija is dongle hex (atmel 89c4051) for dct4 unlocker (starwars version)
Anyone has schemas for this clip¿
Thanks in Advance:cool:
Its not a clip - Its a dongle!
Hi!
If someone have this scheme DCT4 dogle, please send to forum.
brinki@seznam.cz
Thanx
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
brinki:rolleyes: