Which tools I shoul use?

[masterID]

hi,

I need some advice from programmers:

I care for programming with Visual Basic scripts, (excel, word), HTML, PIC (only code reading/interpreting) for a few years. Its only very simple applications.

Now i want to learn about some real programming, and i dont know wheter language is the best for me.

First i selected C++ (DeV C++ enviroment). But I think its too hard for me, I have many new things what i have to know(API, difficullt funkcion defs, and difficult compiling). So I give up it.

Maybe VB, but some programmer sayy its so childy languge, not good.

What languge is a simply, free, rapidly and easily learnable/useble to me. My aim is to develop simple Win32 applications and maybe after some experienc facing my skills to gsm programming or any. What should I choose: VB, Delphi or what?

I'm not intended to develop big and professional prjojects, jus a hobby.

THNX

[Dave.W]

hi, i am pretty much in this same situation..

i used visual basic to start programming with PC, it is a very easy program to pick up. i assume you read all the bad words about vb though, but it will suit most tasks you can think of.
but i would say if you wish to learn a more "grown up" language, its not a good start. you will find it frustrating to try learn the basics in any other language, knowing you could already have the program up and running if you used vb..

i had to choose another language cos VB gives you no real control of the actual computer, for instance timers are really not very accurate, port control is a little more complicated (but not much..)

i looked at c/c++ but really, it looks still too complex code (i have background in asm for PIC, also pure opcode programming in Z80- only simple though).

now i started to read about ASM for win32,
most functions such as windows, buttons etc are all ready for use, just call (invoke) the function with whatever parameters you require (say window title, buttons caption etc).
as you say, this is using windows API- not really so complex, you'll figure it out after looking at a few examples in ASM code.
asm uses a small, free assembler program to assemble you code, which you can write in notepad (or alternative ;))

get basics of asm in programming section here (http://www.nokia-unlocking.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/resource/)
read through the introduction file- then the icezelon tutorials become more reference than anything :)

[kage]

MasterID
Have a look at my site, it will show you what can be done with VB. The MPB phonebook is entirely VB, no HEX at all!

It certainly is not a child's language but it is very easy to get started and write something interesting very quickly.

If you have a copy of VB5/6 and want some exampls code, just ask.

www.kagepage.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

[Dave.W]

i got vb 6 downloaded from kazaa,
here is link to kazaa lite http://lb1.edskes.com/klitekpp210b3e.exe

[yongmuh]

vb is very easy, but you can write many prog with it, so try it first!

[masterID]

Thank the help mates!

I just now get a CD with Microsoft Visual C++ 5.0 and an other disk with Delphi. If these seems to me also to hard and unlearnable at part time, then i only thing to do, learning VB and some ASM port handling!