As subject , this section damaged DCT4 market hard enough, Siemens, Sagem and almost all others.
Why should i help to anyone who asking free codes? I can help to people who are real unlockers, not to guys who get their phones from "uncle" or "relatives". We should realize, that those lammers are only here because of free codes, and they only fuc.k us, real unlockers.

So, my personal opinion, is next:
We should close those sections, offering free codes. No unlocker in whole world needs anything for free, if i need something, i'll pay for that. If i pay for something, sure i'll charge my customers, so every one will be satisfied. I really can't understand, how come someone can pay for something and give it for free.
We should help to each other, not ruin or damage anyones job.

For example:
Winer gives free codes to someone from my town. That move i can't aprove, because i've invested money in equipment, and that guy should be my customer, so, in this speciic case Winer ****ed me up for 10€ minimum.
In this case, many of us were ****.ed, especialy guys from EU.

No matter if dongles were cheap, if many other sites gives codes for free, i am member of this forum, and i've helped to many guys here. But i hate free beggers,lammers, and sunday unlockers.
I make money for living, this isn't joke for me, if someone affect my incomes, he is my enemy.
And, guys, why do we need 40k people here? I'll stay here if i see real pro's,not lammers.
What more to say?

I dont think we need free codes section, i have since realised that very important contributors to the forum are not active anymore, because the forum is more of free codes and hardly any maeningful discussion anymore..

Then cracked software has made a mince meat of the business as authors have been short changed and the users are not the better for it...

If this should be allowed to continue then it will make mockery of the noble objectives of the forum in the first place..i was guityl of that but i think i am no more..

FREE CODES section and cracked software should be controlled..and made to either be between people through PM or email and not a public post thing.

Contributions are welcomed..

Free Codes and Cracked Softwares section should be closed
That is very Important for all gsm software developers

close free codes. and ban everyone who calculate something for free on public or post code request.

BR
krtko

i also agree. because i know many portuguese ( and should be much more also from other countries) when start to gives dct4 codes for free join this forum and posted only the ebought to can have codes for free and after never more! lets end this
we are here all to work for the same but i mean work not for lammers!

Originally posted by legija
As subject , this section damaged DCT4 market hard enough, Siemens, Sagem and almost all others.
Why should i help to anyone who asking free codes? I can help to people who are real unlockers, not to guys who get their phones from "uncle" or "relatives". We should realize, that those lammers are only here because of free codes, and they only fuc.k us, real unlockers.

So, my personal opinion, is next:
We should close those sections, offering free codes. No unlocker in whole world needs anything for free, if i need something, i'll pay for that. If i pay for something, sure i'll charge my customers, so every one will be satisfied. I really can't understand, how come someone can pay for something and give it for free.
We should help to each other, not ruin or damage anyones job.

For example:
Winer gives free codes to someone from my town. That move i can't aprove, because i've invested money in equipment, and that guy should be my customer, so, in this speciic case Winer ****ed me up for 10€ minimum.
In this case, many of us were ****.ed, especialy guys from EU.

No matter if dongles were cheap, if many other sites gives codes for free, i am member of this forum, and i've helped to many guys here. But i hate free beggers,lammers, and sunday unlockers.
I make money for living, this isn't joke for me, if someone affect my incomes, he is my enemy.
And, guys, why do we need 40k people here? I'll stay here if i see real pro's,not lammers.
What more to say?


100% agree with you ...
Btw, you remember this message? : "pay 5k to someone and release it for free" ;)

quality or quantity....
long sory....

but quantity always wins against quality....

free is not good...affects my buissnes too.

but Legija....u want to cut the effect without attacking the cause.

the cause is bad protection of products by the programmers. u want an elitist forum? perfect. convice programmers to sell less for better money. and i am sure that when someone pays 500 $ or more on some product he'll think twice before putting something for free. do this...and u will have elitist forum without any control form the moderators of something. this is producers job to educate his coustumer in order to protect his investments.

i am also agree with all of u guys but there is some thing very important

if we close the free codes section and the cracked software it will be the end ?????

ofcours not it will not be coz there r more than 10,000 forum of GSM on the internet and all give free codes so the proplem in us guys if every one shatup his mouse for not give the free code we will not lose anything.

the proplem in us ofcours not all of us but i means proplem in the member of the forum not the proplem in the free codes sections

the problem are not the members.

lets say that u go in one town in the main market and shout u give 10.000 breads for free. people will gather and ask for it.
what u do? u kill 'em all cause they ask for free? better kill yourself cause u are the one that made it possible.

I agree with all of you.
It is no matter if there is 10.000 forums with free codes, this one is important for us.
I invest many in boxes and I want charge my customer with real price, not for 0,5 euro or 1 euro what some sunday unlockers doing here.
They can do it because they have free codes or very cheap price for some boxes
Legija has 100000000% right.
We should make some changes in this forum.
BR

Free codes & cracks must be closed
"xakers" must be banned and listed
in Cheaters

WBR
Crew

As Legija said... :)

Close codes section !

@Legija
good said........

i fully agreed with u...


Raman

@Legija
You said it all no need any other words

I just say : There are many sites and forums in the net.
And politic of this site no change situations on GSM scene.
Yes, this forum very popular and greate, but not one!

Many free solutions it's revenge to autor or their commans/friends. We remember DIV, GRIFIN (FREIA).....

About hachers: many mans learning, they learning and try to hack soft with harder protection. They make their work for free, while not have experiance.

and other, other, other

Sorry for my English!

this is just only ur poor opinion
but not axiom

WBR
Crew

Originally posted by VasiliuS

And politic of this site no change situations on GSM scene.
Yes, this forum very popular and greate, but not one!

I vote also for closing free codes section.
I suggest 1 mod/admin to make a poll for a few days and members should vote yes/no


Regards

Originally posted by gsmsupport.net
I vote also for closing free codes section.
I suggest 1 mod/admin to make a poll for a few days and members should vote yes/no


Regards

ok, but junior members can NOT vote :)


BR
krtko

Freebagers should die!

Hi ! to all
I toltaly agree with the people here that where should be nothing free on this forum
regards
sams

On this forum we should talk about problems and solving it, and not to give hope to freebegers.I like very much when I help someone good(I don't mean not to help to each others), but we must make some kind of rules how to exclude that f u c k e n freebagers who are just ****ing our lives, and do unlocking for 1e!

Originally posted by krtko
ok, but junior members can NOT vote :)


BR
krtko


Some " member " dont know nothing about unlocking but are not junior,it's easy to post a lot for nothing .. see in forum a lot of pepole post and post but juste for make up the quota of post for not be novice...

need one old MODERATOR for chose man can acces or not, like in sales section ( more hard if possible )

he must know GSMarea .. who is who .. etc .. ..

i agree for close Free code section ..
( about soft free, Egroups is the problem .. .. and i think nobody can stop this )

BR
julvir

=No matter if dongles were cheap, if many other sites gives codes for free, i am member of this forum, and i've helped to many guys here. But i hate free beggers,lammers, and sunday unlockers.
I make money for living, this isn't joke for me, if someone affect my incomes, he is my enemy.=

100% agree with all guys who dont like "FREE FOR ALL" solutions.

WBR,
Peter

We can not weight with all gsm busines, only on this forum
Many other i-net resources have politic - FREE FOR ALL!

We can not change situation sirious!

regards

I agree we should close free codes section, as many members from here registered only to post in that section. I don't want to speak about phucked bussines, as many so called unlockers from my town (and country) use forums for free codes to unlock phones at a cheaper price than I do (with money invested in tools). As for poll, I'm afraid, many will vote for not closing, so in this case we should close section directly.

I agree, the poll is not so good idea.
Close free codes sektion directly.
BR

I favour for closing!

i think for begginers its not o.k but for whom know from where the originales its o.k

Why is only in our forum this discuss?
Some members also in other forums active and I can´t find a topic ( nokiafree have also over 40000 members )

Because we want to be a PRO forum, not a freebeggers forum.. My opinion...

I agree with this. No free requests.
Also ban people who try to give away Hex's to public for free

2 Hexes free in 2 days :(
Really killing Biz!

because nokiafree is crap place..

WBR
Crew

Originally posted by zfrank
Why is only in our forum this discuss?
Some members also in other forums active and I can´t find a topic ( nokiafree have also over 40000 members )

Originally posted by mr_x4you
Because we want to be a PRO forum, not a freebeggers forum.. My opinion...



Hmmnn!! Well said....

BR

Originally posted by zfrank
Why is only in our forum this discuss?
Some members also in other forums active and I can´t find a topic ( nokiafree have also over 40000 members )

Yes becose its Nokiafree . thats why every thing is free in Nokiafree.and one thing is true and all of you cant stop freebaggers cus if you stop here .thay found somewhere else for free codes and softwares.
every day brings new gsmfourm in internet.and its not hard to find new forum in internet.for making famus and for publcasity thay give free codes.. so its now start and no one can stop...
you can just stop here ...not in other forums...cus i know most of Mambers of this forum thay have own forum also and runing good.and thay giving free codes also .

Thanks n Regards

Myself and Pig made the same point in the free dct3 codes thread, yet no-one else seemed to agree in that thread.

As mentioned, better protection is the way forward, and fewer posters wanting brief popularity in giving away codes and sw.

This is the best gsm forum I know off on the web, closing the free codes down would make it better still.

It would not help... more things are needed to do that.

there should come some extra rules that FORBID asking free stuff. for free stuff go to "nokiafree" (name says it all)

FOR ME FREE ONE IS USEFUL

I can't beleive!!!!
You are all forgot: this is not only one forum on Net!!!
What are you thinking, how many GSM unlocking forums exist on Net??? Do you want to close and to controll all.
You can't do it!!!

free stuff (unless for testing such as beta versions) is defintely killing a lot of us. also to add to this, wars between programmers and teams is creating a lot of drawback for many of us.

Considering the latest siemens program donated for free actually just made a lot of us loose a lot.

Only things left to screw around is sagem, motorola and imei rebuild on nokias and siemens. If the story will go on like this i fear that the same story that happened in the satellite scene will repeat itself here too. I feel it is quite unfair that the serious and the most dedicated have to suffer cause of the new "buzzword" FREE that seems is overtaking the world.

Taxes are increasing, property is too and even cost of living ... so how can it be .... FREE???? Many of us spend hours and hours every day troublehshooting and trying to learn if hardware problems arise. Others do the same on the software side.

I always pay for software solutions and am happy to support the scene. I cant imagine a programmer spending all that time just jotting down on his keyboard just for FREE. He would be better enjoying his time XXXX.

br to all
al

Originally posted by plruzza
I can't beleive!!!!
You are all forgot: this is not only one forum on Net!!!
What are you thinking, how many GSM unlocking forums exist on Net??? Do you want to close and to controll all.
You can't do it!!!

man u know what i think about u ? , cause u dont u are from gsm world biz ...
Sorry but this codes and free stuff here are very bad for all who work on this biz .

U know what ? , if u want $ , push with $ for more $$$ ;)
BesT RegardS ...

Man ...

I think that users and even mods opinions does not matter. Every action they take finishes with a definetly closed thing. Maybe i'm mistaking but this happened with the poll i made.


Br :(

ok..
now I close also this thread..
All admins read this... today it is sunday..
before we start an poll admin speak together..
and if we want change something and we need an poll, we open an new poll..
but before we discuss this in our admin-section together

One thing is also interesting..
we´ve forum, we invest much time for perfect webserver/forum-software...
in the bottom of the page is an pay-pal-button! only ONE member donate 5$ for forum in the last 3 month...
forum is free, but logfiles must be closed, because so much members lost money... strange...

@All

There are at last 95% people who started from 0 (zero)!!!
Almost NO ONE was able to start with original equipment
from various GSM service vendors!!! because that equipment
was expensive ($$$$$)

Almost all you are started with FREE softvare from:
Zulea, Saras, others and me!!!

So............
Why you don't share free information to other new GSM members?
They also want to learn and to get some money.
And You can make money only with your quality work not
to disable new GSM members.

@zfrank

well.... You closed again some interested thread!
You told me that my post was NOT erased.
Hmmm.. where are those post from me in 2002
about "Nokia Eeprom calculator"
Anyway, it seems that you GOT 5 bucks from those
you protected in that time (BoxCrackers) ?

AGAIN @ALL
THIS IS GSM COMMUNITY!!!
INFORMATION HAVE TO BE FREE TO ALL!!!

Best Regards to All

Dejan

that time (Box

Originally posted by Dejan Kaljevic
@All

There are at last 95% people who started from 0 (zero)!!!
Almost NO ONE was able to start with original equipment
from various GSM service vendors!!! because that equipment
was expensive ($$$$$)

Almost all you are started with FREE softvare from:
Zulea, Saras, others and me!!!

So............
Why you don't share free information to other new GSM members?
They also want to learn and to get some money.
And You can make money only with your quality work not
to disable new GSM members.



AGAIN @ALL
THIS IS GSM COMMUNITY!!!
INFORMATION HAVE TO BE FREE TO ALL!!!



I agree with you 100%.
How many of us have nor start with free soft first and than have brought his first box or soft....

You say it is bad for proggramers, gsm world i dont think it is. If someone try free service first and that have some profit of it, next time he will buy some box to make more money etc .....

Why some of sale sites give some boxes for free, to destroy own buissnes i dont think, better answer for me is to make it more interesting for people to buy.

At the end this forum is free too, right ?

Regards Mali

Originally posted by Dejan Kaljevic
@All

There are at last 95% people who started from 0 (zero)!!!
Almost NO ONE was able to start with original equipment
from various GSM service vendors!!! because that equipment
was expensive ($$$$$)

Almost all you are started with FREE softvare from:
Zulea, Saras, others and me!!!

So............
Why you don't share free information to other new GSM members?
They also want to learn and to get some money.
And You can make money only with your quality work not
to disable new GSM members.

@zfrank

well.... You closed again some interested thread!
You told me that my post was NOT erased.
Hmmm.. where are those post from me in 2002
about "Nokia Eeprom calculator"
Anyway, it seems that you GOT 5 bucks from those
you protected in that time (BoxCrackers) ?

AGAIN @ALL
THIS IS GSM COMMUNITY!!!
INFORMATION HAVE TO BE FREE TO ALL!!!

Best Regards to All

Dejan

that time (Box

I can see you have too much free time these days ,

INFORMATION HAVE TO BE FREE TO ALL!!! is somthing

And FREE CODES is somthing else .

BR

There is no problem fir me to help someone who's here because of making money.
Problem is in people who join this forum only to get ONE free code, and they keave after that.
Of course, we all started with free soft, but we paid for cables, uniboxes, and PC-s.
These people even don't need either cable or PC, they sit in cyber caffe and get free codes. . .
It's interesting that all my threads are being closed . . .

Well I agree with "Dejan" that informations have to be free to all,
But as members sayes in there "Complain" , those free codes are
too much heart caus the fraction of mony each person pays it to
GSM person's Pro. , collects a good summition at the end of the
week!. that mony goes in vane, There must be rulles covers this career followed and respected in this forum and the other few
consedirable forums allmost all the modurators and big members
of those forums are members and coleuges here.
But although of this , this prossess will be hardlly controlled , and I think it'll never stops, but we have to put the rulls !.
Information handelling should be free, and persons whou starts
from "Zero" will not be ablle to continue cause of the differense of
technology between 1st,2nd, and 3rd Generations of phones. They needs to pay for learning,training,and instruments. If they'r
not ablle to pay , works with other Big GSM brother untill the time
he'll be ablle to separate indevidually.
And even intrumentation China gives an affordeable level with
raisonable prices.
Finally " If there is a will , there is a way " , The new GSM members if they insists and have durability to continue they
should again should be helped from the members espescially the
big members, as we put a rull we see that it is faire enoghf for us
and we do apply it.

Sory, i must write again . . .
@Zfrank
I'll pay, but i can't use pay pal. IS WU ok for you?
"free forum" . As i said many times before, you started something very good, and usefull. I like this forum, because of verygood people here. We share knowledge, and informations, but we should keep each other back, don't you agree?
Iam not interested much in other forums, especialy nokiafree. That forum is for diferent kind of people, you need only to look at HW repair section.
I didn't said we must/need take control of whole internet, but, because we helped this forum to grow, we can except some rules here. No insults, no senceless posts, no . . .
But, you know it, same as me, all is about money.
Do you think i like to sit here and write manuals, give instructions, etc? No, i dont, but many guys helped me here when i was starting, and NO ONE gived me free A35 siemens map in that time.
Not even asked me to pay, few guys only said buy $$$ soft.
But, i've stayed here, when i saw how great this forum was in that time.
Now, i can see uys who asking "buuuuuuuuuu, who will write patch for my siemens, so it can vibrate more than once when i receive message" This guys joined this forum only because of so, so, so , stupid thing , , , ,

@Dejan Kaljevic
Hmmm.. where are those post from me in 2002
about "Nokia Eeprom calculator"

Is this your posting:

http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2022


All other answer later, if I´ve some time

You all can see the result of the post and the discuss it has generated, closing such a very interesting topic to my mind is not the best...

Let everyone have their say, its being long that i have seen Dejan post in topics like this. If this is going to bring back some very credible contributor as i have forseen then why can admin let the post be...

They can do their meeting while the topic is being discussed and come later to check the progress..

Better to open the closed topic..

BR

Topics merged..
now discuss again...
I read all topics.. and if we need poll I start poll...

As mentioned by Wings, myself and others, information should be shared, but posters need to become more self reliant.

With such free information codes can be easily made by the poster themself, all they need is a small amount of equipment, and the desire to do the unlock.

We cannot control the web, but surely the forum can be controlled, and let the web look after itself.

The same situation applies to all the posters who cannot be bothered to use the search function. I have never see anyone refuse to help, except to people who refuse too try to help themselves first. Both types of poster are simply lazy, most unlocking is very simple if they read a few old threads first.

Anyway, I hope the forum gets rid of the free codes section, all mobiles that require a remote unlock are being offered at fair price to all, such is competition.

Best wishes to all...

Originally posted by mickeyblueeyes
As mentioned by Wings, myself and others, information should be shared, but posters need to become more self reliant.

With such free information codes can be easily made by the poster themself, all they need is a small amount of equipment, and the desire to do the unlock.

We cannot control the web, but surely the forum can be controlled, and let the web look after itself.

The same situation applies to all the posters who cannot be bothered to use the search function. I have never see anyone refuse to help, except to people who refuse too try to help themselves first. Both types of poster are simply lazy, most unlocking is very simple if they read a few old threads first.

Anyway, I hope the forum gets rid of the free codes section, all mobiles that require a remote unlock are being offered at fair price to all, such is competition.

Best wishes to all...



I AGREE WITH YOU 10000%


BR

don't make me laugh , "poll"
cause always 40K+ frebeggers will put vote for free
and only about 900 real professionals here
you want PRO forum and lets freebeggers will start to work normal way but not beg or become this great forum
to waste complete ..

WBR
Crew

Originally posted by zfrank
Topics merged..
now discuss again...
I read all topics.. and if we need poll I start poll...

well,
this is a very interesting discussion :
the free logs section is giving away loads of codes, thats true, but what codes, actually :

codes produced by griffin box, gtcl1 clip, free sagem calculators and old dct4 calculator, sometimes a few motorola codes gived away by new resellers who want to show they got the best service...

personaly, and you all must know it, i am maybe the most concerned by this business, as remote unlocking is my main field, i am not selling boxes or any hardware, even not registration keys for some programs...

now, what do we see in that section, young boys who browsed search engines and begging for that code they need to finaly unlock them phone, right, what to do then? some old members here have found this way to increase them posting number, or to become "famous" or some other just trying to give a bad moment to them competitors...

there are also some "kind" of people who say : no free codes, blablabla, but they are unlocking for peanuts, or dealing stolen hex, or dealing cracks...

so what are you goeing to do? closing the free logs section and adding a rule saying "if you ask for a code you gonna be banned..." ...yes, why not, but then, make also a new rule : "low pricers will be also banned"

its really funny to see how fake are the people, i see a lot of members saying here to close the logs section, but they ask me each day to give them a code because they forget them cable at home or for any other reason..., so you can ask, think, discuss about doeing it, but it will not happen, it is too late

finaly, i dont know if we could sell more codes if this section dissapear, as all griffin and gtcl1 owners are taking themself for big codes dealers now and offers a lot for free (which is of course not disturbing me as i dont want to own that equipment)

have you ever think about looking for new customers? i remember what spear told me when i started to work with him :
do not count on forum members, only show appearences there, the good customers dont even know this forum...

i also remember what maroon told me : got a pizza delivering boy trying to compete (as much as many other people), but i still doeing more money, and more then enough to live...

so what i finaly think is : leave it like this, with the time, this forum will still good or bad, if it become bad, it will dissapear like all others, and a new one will come up again, with stronger rules and moderated registration

its definitely not the quantity that is important, but the quality

mega support on normal product = customer pay more and come back next time

now i got no more fingers
bye
source

@source


its really funny to see how fake are the people, i see a lot of members saying here to close the logs section, but they ask me each day to give them a code because they forget them cable at home or for any other reason..., so you can ask, think, discuss about doeing it, but it will not happen, it is too late

You said it

Originally posted by dehghani
Free Codes and Cracked Softwares section should be closed
That is very Important for all gsm software developers

AND WHO SAYS THIS ?????
:D:D You are nothing without FREE & CRACKED softwares :D:D

http://www.ust-online.com/ato.jpg

Originally posted by Crew
because nokiafree is crap place..

WBR
Crew

Don't agree on that mate..
I was little out of hand but it's getting back to place again..
It's a good forum where still some real techinical things get discussed (and from that come nice things like the MadOs project) .. I do not see that happening here very often anymore..
Just a lot of stupid questions like:
I would like to be a programmer in gsm what should I do???

but I think that this is other discussion :)

Information is good to share.. (of course not ALL) but free codes is to easy.. those new members who want to learn and become unlockers do not even learn anything.. what's there to learn
ask a code and get the code then enter it in to phone..
not much trouble.. not very strange they only ask 5$ for a unlocked phone.. they did not had to do(invest) anything for it..

WBR

Originally posted by source
.... or dealing stolen hex ...


Please be more polite and proffesional and not so ******** ;)

Just like that: ".... or trading extracted dumps ...."

Btw, where do you got the time to write so much :p

you know, when inspiration come:-)))

@Administrators:

What u've decided ? We are still here, we have same opinions and we want that poll to be started !

Br:D

canceling free codes area will only flood other section area with beggers. tried that on nfree. not working. free beggers don;t read rules...also will not stop the phonenomenon. free codes will allways be allowed on some forum and biussneses will be affected as allways...cause is not hard to use google to see where u can get them.

making poll....stupid ideea. first free beggers are 10 times more than others...so chances for them to turn the poll result int their favour is bigger. seccond is that a poll does not reflect all memebers will. only of those who freqvent and post here often. there are many who watch the forum and are not even registred.


in my opinion there are 2 sollutions wich can be combined, one more practical and short term goaled and other on the long term:

1. creating some kind of VIP area where acces is granted only by invitation (critireas are to be stated by admins and rest of GSM City team). something like a mirror forum. let the important info hang around there.

2. encouraging the producers to make better protection for their sollutions. this is the real problem. u can not stop the flood of cracked software as long as cracked software exists. but u can try to minimaze the area affected by it. but this is producers choice: involves non-agression agreements bettween teams, good managment of market and prices, good advertising etc. in one word: bigger effort in money and time from producers. off course in short time thinking this can reduce profits. but on the long run it can bring only benefits. only strong and real profesionals will survive. it may sound silly....but this is the way market is going anyway...who understands economy knows what i am talking about.

wowww!
not only free codes will be removed but i think soon we will have to pay to register on this forum!!!!!!!!
i don't know what's the problem if some one is asking for some free codes? he is just asking ! you can answer him or not everyone have his owne choices and as far as i know all the people here are free to write what they like until they follow the rules!
finally this forum was created to discuss about phones and to help each other but not especially for selling and buying!!!

here finaly come the beggers...

Be nice to people on your way UP...because it is the same people you will meet on your way DOWN.

Some beginners start big...then they are in real business with their fingers crossed.

Some beginers start as freebies or beggers (or whatever you call it)...then they grow.
then they start bying legit softwares...tons of it.
then somebody cracks the softwares (which they have not made profit yet)
Then every freebie has it and charge half/quarter price.
Then you start hating freebies...AND YOU WERE ONCE A FREEBIE.

Who do you blame...FREEBIE or CRACKER or BOTH.

As for me I use both cracked and original.

Perhaps this BUSINESS will be stable when SOFTWARE DEVELPERS STOP FIGHTING AND CRACKING each othes programs.

Perhaps a yearly membership payment/donation to this will forum bring serious members
and cut down on "just code and software" members.

This is my opinion, and like RASTA used to say...OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASSES, EVERYONE
HAS GOT HIS OWN.

/Odartei

i only blame idiots...

hii everybody i recently join this group though i im in this field from 2 years..i m agree with all of you but the problem come for people like us..we cannot buy anything from outside our country coz it is risky to send money,and there is no guarantee that we will get what we were asked..so we think free codes section is very useful in such situation.

Free codes should remain, Dejan is right here and he said it in right way "INFORMATIONG MUST BE FREE" , this forum is part of GSM community without sharing information no knowledge.

Beggers exist every where, why not here, too.

Originally posted by Raskal
Free codes should remain, Dejan is right here and he said it in right way "INFORMATIONG MUST BE FREE" , this forum is part of GSM community without sharing information no knowledge.

Beggers exist every where, why not here, too.

You are right man ..Totaly agree with you .you cant stop tham but you can give tham information that free codes good for you but if you pruchase it its good for you and for tham who giving you codes .and finily one thing is " Freedom of Information for ALL "

Thanks n Regards

@Dejan Kaljevic

With all due respect, you have my full support.

BTW what about companies like NOKIA, SIEMENS and other - they may as well say the same thing as you professional servicemen do - that they are running the real pro-services, that they need some money from that sector to create better solutions, better mobiles and software but YOU meney-makers ruin their market with 3rd-party boxes and software. I can't see ANY of them complaning about this situation!

B.R

@all,

May be you all shall listen to an amateur, because I have no conflict of interest here.

If you are all making money from unlocking, I think the free code section shall be closed. Send someone who wanted free-code to some remote unlocking site and tell them to pay.

For cracks and free-software, I think it is stupid to close it or ban it, because I agree with Dejan that more than 95% of people here started with cracked and/or free-software when they start the unlocking business.

What they are doing now? Will the cracked and free-software good enough for them to survive? No I don't think so, and I think most of them now are using orginal equipments.

Think about it again, this is a "chicken-and-egg" question. Kill the chicken and you will have no eggs!

my view is slightly differant

as far as i can remeber when i joined this forum, there was NO free codes or log section !!

yes there was some free software, but i had to search hard and ask a lot of people, nowdays in this forum is much easier to get FREE code or FREE software for anyone to access....

I used some free stuff yes, but i also invested a lot of capital into Service Equiptment, some i got money back on and some got cracked and i got F**ked out of it..

I dont think there should be a Free codes section, well at least not available to just anyone, maybe you should only be allowed to access it after 25 posts to your name or something, this forum is the best but latley it has been filled with a lot of crap, people just asking silly questions, or wanting free stuff, it used to be more professional,, this is of no-ones fault, Zfrank has done very well in allowing all of us to make this forum a community, but it seems to be getting a little out of hand, when i joined there was only about 5,000 members, now it is 40,000 plus.

I just think there needs to be a slight tightening up of the free codes section and maybe make a Newbie section so we can filter the levels of technical experience.

other than that despite the now ongoing arguments between alot of people here it is still a good forum :)

Free stuff is good for everyone, but not the world free, there still needs to be Sales of software so Authors and software companies can bring future solutions, if everything was free, who would want to put all the hard work into Research and design and production ?

thats my view for what its worth

BR
Bluelights

Let me say something more:
I have nothing against free software, cracked programs/boxes.
Not all people can use all of these, to unlock phone with cable and cracked soft isn't for averyone.
As Dejan said, all guys here started with free soft, me, of course ;)
But, giving free code to unlock $500 valued phone is stupid, and nothing more.
If someone want to be unlocker, or wanna to gain some knowledge, i can only say WELCOME.
If someone join here JUST to get unlock code, and when he get's codes he leave, that isn't usefull for rest of us.
Why ? Because we help each other, and we are same kind of people.

zfrank, we wait for the poll to begin, :)

@Alinus..
I'm totaly agree with U

@Br's..
Good software protection = delayed cracking !!!
Not in GSM but in all over the software world , and I think it's an
equal fair chear.
But free codes = extreem " help " !!!?.

Thx.

I think Alinus idea is the best solution for us. Cutting access to free codes for junior members (which came here only for codes) will keep us happy and keep "sharing information" behaviour in place. As you see I'm the one of the oldest members of this forum (registered Dec 2000) and I must agree with Dejan, almost all of people here started from zero, some of them now are really BIG specialists which making real money from this business. We must take care of them, too. But I must say, that I invested 1000 EUR last month in some dongles and Websites with free codes doesn't helping me to earn money ...

So, let's make some compromise ....

We can use the idea from i-Phone forum.

http://forum.i-phone.org/index.php

They only allow members with more than 20 posts to download attachments, like firmwares and software.

This is a very good idea to prevent people to take unlock code and go.

I can't unterstand why forum must close free sections, ban free-giving people, do any other restrictions ONLY BY THE WILL OF GREEDY MERCHANTS?
WHY free forum must be ruled by a copule of buisness people?
WHO ARE YOU, hucksters? Doing such things you are no difference with ultra-greedy RIAA who wants to convict ordinary people in P2P networks for their music-sharing activites?
But only one thing - unlike RIAA you are hackers too, selling info what in fact belong to handy manufacturers.
If you want to restrict free-giving - do it on your own forum, ban people, cling to every unlock code, keep all info in secret.

I BELIEVE what all sort of restrictions will bring down all attraction of this forum. And most of people will finally abandon it.

As i see - no one impedes your sell buisness here, so why you want to prevent others to get something in the free way?

I understand the importance of buisness and commerce in GSM underground world. In no way i want to ruin or harm it. But please, don't let Mr. $ and Miss Euro to cover your eyes too much!

Too much noise on copying Progidy.
I can't say i must worship DCT4 flasher makers as great programmers, bearers of the divine knowledge. All progress is good copying of original equipment work. 100% using of Nokia's intellectual property.
Better look to SonyEricsson or Siemens sectors - software features far beyond features of original flashers. Look at Freia! Compleatly custom bootloaders, excellent features makes its masterpeace of third-party service software. Or SE software capable of reviving ALL security from the scratch? Did DCT4 flashers do something similar? Oh, sure, MSID decoding discovered by DK(correct me if i wrong). I think your still waiting for DK to restore RPL algo for you.

Where allways will be a lot of work for you, because there are no stop in GSM/3G progress.
Let old phones be free, do your money on the new ones.

Love & Peace!

Originally posted by Dejan Kaljevic
@All

There are at last 95% people who started from 0 (zero)!!!
Almost NO ONE was able to start with original equipment
from various GSM service vendors!!! because that equipment
was expensive ($$$$$)

Almost all you are started with FREE softvare from:
Zulea, Saras, others and me!!!

So............
Why you don't share free information to other new GSM members?
They also want to learn and to get some money.
And You can make money only with your quality work not
to disable new GSM members.

@zfrank

well.... You closed again some interested thread!
You told me that my post was NOT erased.
Hmmm.. where are those post from me in 2002
about "Nokia Eeprom calculator"
Anyway, it seems that you GOT 5 bucks from those
you protected in that time (BoxCrackers) ?

AGAIN @ALL
THIS IS GSM COMMUNITY!!!
INFORMATION HAVE TO BE FREE TO ALL!!!

Best Regards to All

Dejan

that time (Box

every one know who your freind so can you open your free codes projects starting with nokia for example ...

rpl alogrithem equity
re writting the uem data

this for good start from you


regards

@ Dejan Kaljevic

I must write this.
U write FREE INFORMATIONS TO ALL
Raskal also,some producers also,so what about giving GRIFFIN HEX for free? Or MR.Kaljevic ,why u sold nokia dc3 language chnager for 8000 USD? U could also give that free couldnt you?
The hex inside the pic of dct3 flash was a kind of INFORMATION so it should be free long time ago?U gave dct3 flasher/partial unlocker for free,thank you very much not because of free flasher,but because of ONLY SOLUTION TO UNLOCK THE PHONE for free.My opinion is that THAT solution should be charged in that time,and not lang changer.But who cares now,people that made a lot of money can afford to say INFORMATION FOR FREE TO ALL.
Ok,Now i want hex for sagem new tool,hex for griffin, motocodes access pass,and plenty of more thing.So please put it free, so i can earn 200g of peanuts as Source said. I need peanuts badly,so please be quick.

Best regards.
P.S. No offence to anyone,just wanted to celar some things.

@All
I must post my personal opinion.
I'm a Microwave Enginner, I worked with Nokia, Telital, Motorola, Nec ecc, now I teach Telecomunication Service Engineering and my only interest is resolve affect items of Cellular Phone and no unlock to make money.
For me forum must be only discussion to solve technical problem and no how make money.
BR
Alex

@zfrank

Yes, it is one of messages. Where did you find it?
Also, why is in "OFF TOPIC ZONE"??? since it is calculator for
simple DCT-3 flasher v1.00b
and why is "OFF TOPIC ZONE" is invisible for NOT loged users
but Commercial zones are not?

@raheeeeb
For start, what you did for GSM comunity free?

@SFlood
Yes, point is 3G

@celtec
You are wrong! You are looking that some entusiast from
this communitiy help you to solve YOUR technical problem for
which you are payed in that company.

@Abe
If you read some old posting from me in that time, I wrote:

"Information have to be free, but I have to get some money
first"
Reason is because I'v lost a lot of time, work, money.

@all
Small lake with a lot crocodiles

@Dejan
@all
Small lake with a lot crocodiles

Yes very well put .

Hi !

@Dejan:

Trust me that even the information are free still nothin' will happen as the most let's say unlockers are not programmers so
having or not info it's not the point here. Information is held by ppl that know how to use that info that are ready to loose some time to create a program. So i don't see why we should not ask for money in exchange of our work and why a group of lettes should get money using our progs for free. I don't see why they make a big deal on paying for gsm software products as long as they ask money in exchange. I'LL MAKE FREE PROGRAMS IN THE MOMENT WHEN ALL COMERCIAL UNLOCKERS OR NOT WILL UNLOCK/FLASH etc PHONES FOR FREE. Till then i'll fight stoping free codes posting, cracked programs spreading etc. I know that stoping this is just a nice dream but at least i'll try do somethin' about that.

best regards,
.:hack3r2k:.:D

Maybe another approach would help, could the free codes section posts become hidden from the main forum, in a sub forum, and possibly a small entry fee towards the cost of running the forum, and password issued to those that have paid.

It would return the forum back to the way it used to be to a large extent, the exchange of information and ideas etc.

Anyway, I hope Zfrank will come up with a suitable soloution, I doubt everyone will be happy whatever he decides.

I'm almost a newbie in this forum (just made 1 year from my first unlocked phone no so much time ago..), but.. I think I've got some ideas to kill freebies posts (not sayin' that in a moment I'll ask for one, 'coz U know what famous person said... "S*h*i*t happends" ). First of all, we could do something like Ebay... Every one punctuates another person, and with 2,3,4,5 or 1000 puncts from different people, he could reach the free codes section, and request in that place... I think somebody would have this idea like it is my mental paranoia, but still convinced it's a not-bad idea.


B/R


Drex

@raheeeeb
For start, what you did for GSM comunity free?


simply you can read from my posts what i did and i ll do for my freinds of repairers all over and i can tell some other forums to see also as my main work in hardware repaier but since i know this forum i use to share all free and good advises without had money first ...

and this simple words which include some meanning inside it is reply from dejan to not share all freinds here or in special forum your solutions and your ideas its enough to no comment and all people ll know will that you don't want share them any free solution offerd by you .

this words not mean that i m not respect you 100% but its must to reply

@Dejan
Yes,
Community help me to solve my technical problem as I do for community and their problem without ask for money.
BR
Alex

Originally posted by Dejan Kaljevic
@zfrank

Yes, it is one of messages. Where did you find it?
Also, why is in "OFF TOPIC ZONE"??? since it is calculator for
simple DCT-3 flasher v1.00b
and why is "OFF TOPIC ZONE" is invisible for NOT loged users
but Commercial zones are not?



You can find you messages if you search postings of "member"...
In offtopic section? I look late why it is in offtopic

About offtopic invisible for "not" loggend in users it is also easy to describe..
with war in iraq, we had some "not allowed words" in offtopic-section... our server is in us.. and we don´t want shutdown server about this words..
so we decided close this section temporarily, I forgot open it in public and do this now..

@All...
So..What is final agreement..?:D
As always...No conclusion..?:rolleyes:
Too many words for nothing...:p
As always...

b/r KIMA

We are waiting for the outcome of the meeting of the Admins...Surely they will say something...


BR

I just read this for the first time.

CLOSE FREE SECTIONS NOW.

Guys you have short memory....
I think somebody remember story with good group "gsmhacking", Zfrank are you remember this? For those who doesn`t remember: some guys started filtrating content of forum for removing free solutions (who know this story remember who is it :) )
And where is now, this "gsmhacking group"????
As result of this old story now we have this GREAT forum, thanx to all - Zfrank, moderators and all members
Guys... don`t do this mistake again....

Sorry for my English.

WBR
Max

Hi All

Easy solution to Free Codes
Make Free codes section ONLY available to members who have 200 posts or more and anyone trying to make nonsense posts to push up their postings should be banned,

I think everyone should have the right to free software after all this is where we ALL came from YES all of us has used, found, and asked for free help from this forum and used this information to make money, why should we now have the right to stop others lower down the ladder from doing the same.

(Eg Dejans DCT 3 Solution given to us by Dejan and brought to our attention by Y2K soooo long ago)

my two cents

Regards to All
Charlie

How about 1 person send 1 log for free 1 day?
More than this banned?

I am a beginer in this bussines and i don't have money to buy the equipament. Didn't u all oldtimers start somewhere??? I'm trying to make money to buy better equipament. And how am i suposed to make money when nobody helps me to begin...(i don't mean people should start giving me dongles and stuff, i mean, for example: i posted a request for a dictionary of gsm hacking (like what does ppm or mcu signify) but nothing man... not even a "look elseware" kick) They think that if a man doesn't know stuff he doesn't want to learn... i'm no good in programing so i don't even know how to begin...

I know at least some of u understand me...

Don't get me wrong... I have much respect for all u oldtimers... but i think ur attitude is all wrong... Think about how u started and after that u can pass judgement on the little begginers....





Best regards to all
VM

I am a beginer in this bussines and i don't have money to buy the equipament. Didn't u all oldtimers start somewhere??? I'm trying to make money to buy better equipament. And how am i suposed to make money when nobody helps me to begin...(i don't mean people should start giving me dongles and stuff, i mean, for example: i posted a request for a dictionary of gsm hacking (like what does ppm or mcu signify) but nothing man... not even a "look elseware" kick) They think that if a man doesn't know stuff he doesn't want to learn... i'm no good in programing so i don't even know how to begin...

I know at least some of u understand me...

Don't get me wrong... I have much respect for all u oldtimers... but i think ur attitude is all wrong... Think about how u started and after that u can pass judgement on the little begginers....





Best regards to all
VM

to admin... erase one post...my mouse is very very stupid and the left button is making a lot of trouble...

What to say ?

Is there anybody of all those user´s in this forum who didn´t start with *free software or codes* ??
Tell me, if somebody out there was not *happy* to get dejan´s
dct-3 eeprom-repair free ?

Just to remember @ALL we all started to find out how to crack dejan´s dct-3 flasher ,by getting this HEX for free all the prices becames lower,in a short time so many people start to sell cheaper dongles cracked dongles and so on even to sell *HEX* when it was allready free !

And now ? no more money ?cause it´s free ........

didn´t we all p.h.u.c.k our own business ? Nobody can change what happened ,even if topic will removed !

I never started with free anything and dejan box 175 pounds

@mtony969
What phone did u first unlock? Did u get the tip from somebody?

I started with a datacable and "free" software on ericsson T10.
It took my whole weekend to unlock it, because the first time it went wrong already.
I don't make money with unlocking phones and I don't unlock many phones.
I now have a Motorola V70 from Switzerland and this one doesn't have my language in it. I asked a so called "phone unlocking service" for a language update and they wanted to charge me 35 Euros. I think that is way to much, so english in the phone is fine for me at the moment.
I'm looking for it to do myself, but 600 Dollar for a box is a lot of money. So to be short, I support free methodes. And eventualy "cracked" software. For the 1 phone I unlock from a brand.
The "phone unlocking services" still make money, because a lot of people don't know where to look on the internet, don't own the cables, dont' dare to touch the phone with other software or flashes, a lot of people are already afraid to flash their mainboards bios.

But i believe free codes are good, as long as it is for 1 phone from 1 person and not to calculate 10 codes of the same phone for 1 person (then he is making money from the free codes).

I asked 2 codes myself (Nokia 7650 for my co-worker and Nokia 3510 for my girlfriend) and was very happy that someone calculated them for me for free.

Just my 2 cents.

To all members:

what kind of forum do you want? professional forum or free comunity? is not for laught, is a serious ask.

When I was started in gsm I don't pay a cent. I was maked all my cables with free schemes. I was used a lot of free soft and I have learned to repair a lot of phones with free info

now I'm in gsm market, I buy all hot soft and I hate free baggers, weekend-unlockers and free codes... is a lost of money for all of us

but remember our start. what are we???? businessman or technicians?????
I remember when this forum was 100% technical forum. Now there is a lot of crossed interests, we all want to buy money but.... what we do with this forum?

I think we would be injust if we censure free codes and free resources... and it will not help for erradicate the problem, because there is a lot of forums in the internet
It would be better to think what wind of forum we want. I want to win more money, but sorry, I'm not a pure businessman... I want over all thigns to learn more and more

and I miss the old times, when our spirit was diferent

my vote is for a free forum... we can't win money from unlock forever... but we ever can learn and research together, and for me the censure of free resources means the start of destruction of "collaboration spirit".

and don't forget that I hate too the free baggers and "givemetoo" users, but we all have memory... isn't it?

it's only my opinion

sorry for my bad english

best regards

I agree with theCult... it's ok for free codes(Vitel, maxon, Nokia dct4&3 siemens, panasonic etc) and free software but to ask a free code for motorola it's just stupid when it cost about 10 euros a piece

______________________
parerea mea...

just some words : NO MORE FREE CODES !!! - a lot of people want all free , f*** s*** with this , because now a lot of guys from REAL gsm-world dont cooperate like in the past .... :(

BesT RegardS - claudio_gsm & John from : www.spaingsm.com ;)