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mobidoc · 03-13-2002, 03:41

hello m8s

anyone have got out the recived tones formate so we can add as much as we need from it & then fill by logo manager ?

i think this is cool idea for all .

kind regards .

MAK_US1977 · 03-13-2002, 06:32

what do u mean ?

we may help other in that if u mean what i think

ALieN_CHeMiST · 03-13-2002, 06:38

@MAK_US1977

I think what he means is if the received ringtone format can be worked out, adding ringtones to a custom ppm with logomanager would be quite easy. I think that's where he's getting at....

Dave.W · 03-13-2002, 15:10

hi, the tones in PPM and tones in the eeprom (composer) are in different formats. havent really tryed to work out the eeprom one yet as the ppm is keeping me busy

but i did try inserting it into a ppm file and it didnt work.
my very first thought was to use composer to convert tones to hex

trashed · 03-13-2002, 15:28

yes you can add your downloaded tones to your PPM. ive done it in my phone. its very tricky but its worth it.

mobidoc · 03-13-2002, 16:44

hello m8s

@ trashed

how ?

kind regards .

MAK_US1977 · 03-13-2002, 18:46

no my friend thet stored in eprom and ppm in the same format
i got one from eprom and swaped it with one of builtin tones

that is my new project
but my problem is how to convert midi to that format

if anyone can help
i will be thankfull

black23 · 03-13-2002, 19:35

Hi,
GNOKII use similar binary format as in flash. Maybe programer of this SW can help. SW which can save ringtones to phone use algorithm for conversion. Reverse engeneering in this case is second option.
What do You mean.

Take care

Mike

Finn · 03-13-2002, 19:43

Eeprom format is the same as flash format.I ve successfully insert one eeprom tone to PPM

aZyWeRks · 03-14-2002, 18:29

Quote:

Originally posted by Finn
Eeprom format is the same as flash format.I ve successfully insert one eeprom tone to PPM

EEPROM on what phone? It always seems encypted on a 33XX, or am i just missing something!

regards,

aCe

Finn · 03-14-2002, 19:31

6210,6250,7110

X-Shadow · 03-15-2002, 06:35

Hello,

It is easy to change SMS Alert tones on some DCT3 phones like
5110s, 6150... but almost impossible for other DCT3 phones like
8850-5.30, 8210-5.30, etc...

Why? Because of MCU security. The SMS Alert tones are stored
in the MCU for some DCT3 phones unlike the Rongtones which
are stored in the PPM for ALL nokia.

For 51xx, 61xx it is still in the MCU, but you can change it
easily provided that you must make sure that the checksum
remains the same!

For example:
6130-5.61

Use HEX Editor and search for string "8005020A01"
(Thanks to ICEDRAGON for initial findings

)

Now you see Message Alert to for "Special" below:

1 - 5A0C 400C
2 - 5A0C 400C 0AFE
3 - 5A0C 4025 0A01
4 - 5A25 400C
5 - 5A25 4025 0AFE
6 - 5A0C 400C
7 - 5A0C 400C
8 - 5A0C 0A7F

407D 060B C000 02FD 0A

The actual Alert Tones are the first 8 lines above... the last line
is not included in the tone generation... I think it is only used for
how the tone will sound and whether or not is will repeat itself.

5A0C ---> 5A is the Tone, 0C is the Length....
400C ---> 40 is a pause, 0C is the Length....
0AFE ---> I think this is a VIBRA call, although I am not sure
0A01 ---> Another Vibra call?
0A7F ---> Yet still another Vibra call?

But I guess you are not really interested to know what they really
mean, but CAN WE CHANGE THEM??? Off course

here are a
few sample below:

Who Let the Dogs Out?
1 - 5A2A 400C
2 - 5A0C 400C 0AFE
3 - 5A0C 400C 0A01
4 - 5A2A 400C
5 - 5A2A 4025 0AFE
6 - 0A4D 400C
7 - 0A5C 400C
8 - 0A5C 0A7F

Notice that I managed to keep the checksum the same by adding
the same number of bytes subtracted to another byte.

A good IDEA would be to manipulate the code above to generate
other MORSE CODE letters (Because all nokia tones are Morse
codes if you haven't noticed that

Standard Tone --> Morse Code "M M"
Special Tone --> Morse Code "S M S"
Ascending Tone --> Morse Code "Connecting People"
Beep Once --> Morse Code "I Love GSMCITY Forum"

Ok, for lesson number two, try to create morse code letters like
the example below:

Morse Code 'F'
5A0C 400C
5A0C 400C 0AFE
5A25 400C 0A01
5A0C 400C
0A5C 4075 0AFE
0A25 405C
0A25 400C
0A5C 0A7F

By the way, you do not need to recalculte FAID when updating
ALert tones on supported phones. Just think of it as if you are
unlocking your phone via partial Flashing method.

Here is an example on how to keep the Checksums the same...

If you want a longer tone duration, you must make 5A length
longer... for example 5A0C ----> 5A5C! This is a longer tone,
but notice that we added 50 to 0C to make it 5C... Now you have
to remove 50 from somewhere so you will not alter the
checksums! For exmample, remove 50 from 405C, you will
result to 400C! Now checksum is not altered.

I guess in newer MCUs, they implement better CRC because you
can not change alert tones even if you do not change checksums!
That is why, single PARTIAL unlocking also does not work!

Good Luck!

Please dont ask me If you can make Ringtones into alert tones
because I did not try this yet

Best Regards,
X-Shadow

greenapple · 03-15-2002, 10:45

hello x-shadow,

i think its possible. i mean changing the sms tone of on 8210 v5.30.. and still have network...

but on 3310v5.03. i still get no network.. 8(

Dave.W · 03-15-2002, 16:57

not too sure on this one.
i updated the tone on a 5130 to the "who let the dogs out" (hehe, nice idea

) and got contact service. run wintesla and PPM checksum failed! even though the changes had been in MCU

recalculated checksums then FAiD with TEK and its working now

also, after this, i edited the alert again, this time changing the values of the notes. its the same rhythm but starts on a C and goes up to a G (nice little song

), without any add/subtract. just recalculate PPM with ppmsplitter/fixer, then MCU checksum only with nFree and all is well

think maybe the old 5130 is now good enough to be seen in public with again

heres the nice alert:
7F2A400C810C400C0AFE8321400C0A01842A400C862A40250A FE0A4D400C0A5C400C0A5C0A7F

aZyWeRks · 03-16-2002, 16:06

Quote:

Originally posted by Finn
6210,6250,7110

so how do i know which are the starting bytes and the ending bytes?

at least the alert tones have a default hex header to look for and that ppm tones have 070BXXXX as end bytes.

as for the alert tones addition subtraction, yes it will work unless you change the value of every 20th hex value (info courtesy of ice).
but tek did manage to break the spell. unfortunately, 33 5.XX and the rest of the MCU protected flash versions somewhat eludes as all.

regards,
aCe

03-13-2002, 03:41	#1 (permalink)
mobidoc Freak Poster Join Date: Nov 2001 Age: 45 Posts: 410 Member: 7327 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 12	( recieved tone ) formate hello m8s anyone have got out the recived tones formate so we can add as much as we need from it & then fill by logo manager ? i think this is cool idea for all . kind regards .

03-13-2002, 19:35	#8 (permalink)
black23 Major Poster Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 48 Member: 4692 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 0	Gnokii binary format Hi, GNOKII use similar binary format as in flash. Maybe programer of this SW can help. SW which can save ringtones to phone use algorithm for conversion. Reverse engeneering in this case is second option. What do You mean. Take care Mike

03-15-2002, 16:57	#14 (permalink)
Dave.W No Life Poster Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Age: 41 Posts: 2,821 Member: 7653 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 823	not too sure on this one. i updated the tone on a 5130 to the "who let the dogs out" (hehe, nice idea) and got contact service. run wintesla and PPM checksum failed! even though the changes had been in MCU recalculated checksums then FAiD with TEK and its working now also, after this, i edited the alert again, this time changing the values of the notes. its the same rhythm but starts on a C and goes up to a G (nice little song), without any add/subtract. just recalculate PPM with ppmsplitter/fixer, then MCU checksum only with nFree and all is well think maybe the old 5130 is now good enough to be seen in public with again heres the nice alert: 7F2A400C810C400C0AFE8321400C0A01842A400C862A40250A FE0A4D400C0A5C400C0A5C0A7F Last edited by Dave.W; 03-15-2002 at 17:00.

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03-13-2002, 06:32	#2 (permalink)
MAK_US1977 No Life Poster Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Egypt Age: 46 Posts: 1,530 Member: 4263 Status: Offline Sonork: 100.1582330 Thanks Meter: 49	what do u mean ? we may help other in that if u mean what i think

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ALieN_CHeMiST Freak Poster Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Bristol - UK Posts: 286 Member: 1034 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 0	@MAK_US1977 I think what he means is if the received ringtone format can be worked out, adding ringtones to a custom ppm with logomanager would be quite easy. I think that's where he's getting at....

03-13-2002, 15:10	#4 (permalink)
Dave.W No Life Poster Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Age: 41 Posts: 2,821 Member: 7653 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 823	hi, the tones in PPM and tones in the eeprom (composer) are in different formats. havent really tryed to work out the eeprom one yet as the ppm is keeping me busy but i did try inserting it into a ppm file and it didnt work. my very first thought was to use composer to convert tones to hex

03-13-2002, 15:28	#5 (permalink)
trashed Product Supporter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philippines Posts: 512 Member: 8303 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 127	yes you can add your downloaded tones to your PPM. ive done it in my phone. its very tricky but its worth it.

03-13-2002, 16:44	#6 (permalink)
mobidoc Freak Poster Join Date: Nov 2001 Age: 45 Posts: 410 Member: 7327 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 12	hello m8s @ trashed how ? kind regards .

03-13-2002, 18:46	#7 (permalink)
MAK_US1977 No Life Poster Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Egypt Age: 46 Posts: 1,530 Member: 4263 Status: Offline Sonork: 100.1582330 Thanks Meter: 49	no my friend thet stored in eprom and ppm in the same format i got one from eprom and swaped it with one of builtin tones that is my new project but my problem is how to convert midi to that format if anyone can help i will be thankfull

03-13-2002, 19:43	#9 (permalink)
Finn Freak Poster Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chalkidiki/Greece Posts: 488 Member: 7731 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 27	Eeprom format is the same as flash format.I ve successfully insert one eeprom tone to PPM

03-14-2002, 19:31	#11 (permalink)
Finn Freak Poster Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chalkidiki/Greece Posts: 488 Member: 7731 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 27	6210,6250,7110

03-15-2002, 06:35	#12 (permalink)
X-Shadow No Life Poster Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: GSM Forum Posts: 1,108 Member: 871 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 602	Hello, It is easy to change SMS Alert tones on some DCT3 phones like 5110s, 6150... but almost impossible for other DCT3 phones like 8850-5.30, 8210-5.30, etc... Why? Because of MCU security. The SMS Alert tones are stored in the MCU for some DCT3 phones unlike the Rongtones which are stored in the PPM for ALL nokia. For 51xx, 61xx it is still in the MCU, but you can change it easily provided that you must make sure that the checksum remains the same! For example: 6130-5.61 Use HEX Editor and search for string "8005020A01" (Thanks to ICEDRAGON for initial findings ) Now you see Message Alert to for "Special" below: 1 - 5A0C 400C 2 - 5A0C 400C 0AFE 3 - 5A0C 4025 0A01 4 - 5A25 400C 5 - 5A25 4025 0AFE 6 - 5A0C 400C 7 - 5A0C 400C 8 - 5A0C 0A7F 407D 060B C000 02FD 0A The actual Alert Tones are the first 8 lines above... the last line is not included in the tone generation... I think it is only used for how the tone will sound and whether or not is will repeat itself. 5A0C ---> 5A is the Tone, 0C is the Length.... 400C ---> 40 is a pause, 0C is the Length.... 0AFE ---> I think this is a VIBRA call, although I am not sure 0A01 ---> Another Vibra call? 0A7F ---> Yet still another Vibra call? But I guess you are not really interested to know what they really mean, but CAN WE CHANGE THEM??? Off course here are a few sample below: Who Let the Dogs Out? 1 - 5A2A 400C 2 - 5A0C 400C 0AFE 3 - 5A0C 400C 0A01 4 - 5A2A 400C 5 - 5A2A 4025 0AFE 6 - 0A4D 400C 7 - 0A5C 400C 8 - 0A5C 0A7F Notice that I managed to keep the checksum the same by adding the same number of bytes subtracted to another byte. A good IDEA would be to manipulate the code above to generate other MORSE CODE letters (Because all nokia tones are Morse codes if you haven't noticed that Standard Tone --> Morse Code "M M" Special Tone --> Morse Code "S M S" Ascending Tone --> Morse Code "Connecting People" Beep Once --> Morse Code "I Love GSMCITY Forum" Ok, for lesson number two, try to create morse code letters like the example below: Morse Code 'F' 5A0C 400C 5A0C 400C 0AFE 5A25 400C 0A01 5A0C 400C 0A5C 4075 0AFE 0A25 405C 0A25 400C 0A5C 0A7F By the way, you do not need to recalculte FAID when updating ALert tones on supported phones. Just think of it as if you are unlocking your phone via partial Flashing method. Here is an example on how to keep the Checksums the same... If you want a longer tone duration, you must make 5A length longer... for example 5A0C ----> 5A5C! This is a longer tone, but notice that we added 50 to 0C to make it 5C... Now you have to remove 50 from somewhere so you will not alter the checksums! For exmample, remove 50 from 405C, you will result to 400C! Now checksum is not altered. I guess in newer MCUs, they implement better CRC because you can not change alert tones even if you do not change checksums! That is why, single PARTIAL unlocking also does not work! Good Luck! Please dont ask me If you can make Ringtones into alert tones because I did not try this yet Best Regards, X-Shadow

03-15-2002, 10:45	#13 (permalink)
greenapple Freak Poster Join Date: Jul 2001 Age: 59 Posts: 325 Member: 5355 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 5	hello x-shadow, i think its possible. i mean changing the sms tone of on 8210 v5.30.. and still have network... but on 3310v5.03. i still get no network.. 8(