Now I really need you help pls! (cxt65) - GSM-Forum

vision · 08-30-2005, 11:45

Hi2all!

Now I really need you help. Yes I know that there are some thread about this problem, and I wrote in some of these, but nobody wrote exact answers. Chris02 tried to help, and thank you, but this is the moment when I would like to ask you again. Please answer if you can.

So I have a siemens cx(t)65, which died "automatically"

--- no wrong unlock, no wrong flash, just died when I tried to take a photo. Now I successfully get a T5 screw driver (and more, this is a very usefull toolbox with about 50 or 60 screw driver head - cool). So, I would like to save my user data, so I wouldn't like to do a full flash. Chris02 said that try to write only bootcore. Okay, so I make a testpoint (should I use a resistor? 5-10kOhm?), then write a bootcore. Okay, I have two questions: where can I get a bootcore (<36)? I searched through this forum and the net, but I not found... And the second: write with what? I have some softwares, but which is the best and the safiest way to do this job?
Then, if it is okay, can I save my datas from the phone? And the full flash?

Thank you for your help!

-vision-

Chris02 · 08-30-2005, 12:12

Oh, sry, then I understood something wrong.

If your phone died while you made a foto update your phone first with winswup (or have you already tried)?

No data will be lost!

vision · 08-30-2005, 13:02

Yes, I tried to take a photo as I made it a lot of times. But then the phone switched off, and since then don't switch on. Battery is full, and it not responds to charging.

Okay, winswup. What I need for this? I have some winswup which has the things built-in (is it possible? the size of these exe files is about 9 or 10MBs if I remember good). And what should I do?

Thx.4.your.reply!

-vision-

jesusangel · 08-30-2005, 13:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by vision

Yes, I tried to take a photo as I made it a lot of times. But then the phone switched off, and since then don't switch on. Battery is full, and it not responds to charging.

Okay, winswup. What I need for this? I have some winswup which has the things built-in (is it possible? the size of these exe files is about 9 or 10MBs if I remember good). And what should I do?

Thx.4.your.reply!

-vision-

Have you tried original update soft from siemens site??

Normaly the soft ask you to swicht on the phone to look for it in some port and then it swicht Off the phone and start flashing. But if phone is not detected, ask you select port and push ON button, same as other soft, to enter maybe in service mode. I recover this way a phone that was updating while a power fail swicht off my computer.

Regards

vision · 08-30-2005, 13:19

yeah, the first things what I tried to repair without "hard" work. But the softwares (original siemens, winswup, sst, eeprom tool) can't connect. So I must do test-point --- i think. Should I use a resistor? And what is with winsup?

thx
-vision-

TriMesh · 08-30-2005, 14:15

I really don't think this is going to help - it sounds like a genuine hardware problem to me.

Try connecting using Papuas and the testpoint - if that works, then you can try the "new bcore" option and see if that fixes it.

You don't need a resistor - just check the "pause" box, short the TP to ground, start the phone up and then release the TP.

vision · 09-01-2005, 07:32

Maybe I do something wrong but I can't connect with TP. So. I started Papuas, checked Pause, connected TP to GND, then tried to short the "red button" --> nothing happened. I tried it several times, but as I said: maybe I'm the "stupid" for this operation

I removed the camera, the ear-piece, everything, and tried to switch on the phone with only LCD and keypad and another battery. Nothing happened.

So as I said I don't want this phone back: what is important for me is the datas (pictures and messages) inside it!!! Any idea?

I looked through the whole PCB for electrical or liquid damages...nothing.

Or maybe my data-cable wrong? I haven't got another x65 phone to test it, so how can I see that my cable is able for this operation?

Thx
-vision-

TriMesh · 09-01-2005, 08:25

I think it's a hardware problem... Have you tried another battery - if the battery is defective or too low voltage, then these phones won't power up even with external power applied.

If you're completely stuck, then try and find someone that has SMT soldering equipment and a programmer with the right adapters for the flash, then open the dump file in Smelter. You should be able to get the files back this way.

vision · 09-01-2005, 08:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by TriMesh

I think it's a hardware problem... Have you tried another battery - if the battery is defective or too low voltage, then these phones won't power up even with external power applied.

If you're completely stuck, then try and find someone that has SMT soldering equipment and a programmer with the right adapters for the flash, then open the dump file in Smelter. You should be able to get the files back this way.

So try to power up with external power? Can you explain it a little bit more to me, or can you give me a link?

SMT soldering equipment. What is it? A Siemens service stuff?

-vision-

TriMesh · 09-01-2005, 13:10

No, what I meant was to physically remove the flash ROM from the phone and read it with external hardware. It sounds as if the phone won't power up at all, so no software based solution is going to help you.

vision · 09-01-2005, 13:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by TriMesh

No, what I meant was to physically remove the flash ROM from the phone and read it with external hardware. It sounds as if the phone won't power up at all, so no software based solution is going to help you.

I'm understand now. So I need some device (flash programmer devices? --- I saw it on some pages), and directly read the datas from it, then extract with Smelter.

Okay. Now, have you ever did something like this, or you just know that things? And what chip stores my user datas? I opened the phone, and saw three chips (Infineon, and two more with a lot of numbers

).

:::thx:::
-vision-

TriMesh · 09-01-2005, 21:12

Yeah, I've done this, but not with this particular phone. Sometime it's the only way to get data out of them. You will also need a BGA adapter with the right footprint for the flash chip in the phone - it's the 2nd largest chip (it probably has the intel "i" on it...)

vision · 09-02-2005, 07:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by TriMesh

Yeah, I've done this, but not with this particular phone. Sometime it's the only way to get data out of them. You will also need a BGA adapter with the right footprint for the flash chip in the phone - it's the 2nd largest chip (it probably has the intel "i" on it...)

Man, you aren't kiddin'

Okay. I would like to thank your answers again. And can you give me some link for tutorials, or something else which can be help for me? I have some (not so much) electronic knowledge (maybe this will be enough, I hope

), but this isn't easy I think, so I would like to get as much info as much I can.

-thx-

vision

vision · 09-05-2005, 11:08

I browsed some pages about programming IC-s, cables, softwares and more. But what devices needed? Can somebody give me exact device names?

thx
-vision-

vision · 09-08-2005, 13:10

I found a device "Pony Programmer", but I don't think that it is good for me. I found some more device for programming IC's, but I don't know the type of the siemens cxt65 IC (which stores mobile SW, images, messages, etc).

Humm...

-vision-

08-30-2005, 11:45	#1 (permalink)
vision Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Szolnok (sunshine :) City, Hungary, Europe Age: 39 Posts: 21 Member: 162426 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 0	Now I really need you help pls! (cxt65) Hi2all! Now I really need you help. Yes I know that there are some thread about this problem, and I wrote in some of these, but nobody wrote exact answers. Chris02 tried to help, and thank you, but this is the moment when I would like to ask you again. Please answer if you can. So I have a siemens cx(t)65, which died "automatically" --- no wrong unlock, no wrong flash, just died when I tried to take a photo. Now I successfully get a T5 screw driver (and more, this is a very usefull toolbox with about 50 or 60 screw driver head - cool). So, I would like to save my user data, so I wouldn't like to do a full flash. Chris02 said that try to write only bootcore. Okay, so I make a testpoint (should I use a resistor? 5-10kOhm?), then write a bootcore. Okay, I have two questions: where can I get a bootcore (<36)? I searched through this forum and the net, but I not found... And the second: write with what? I have some softwares, but which is the best and the safiest way to do this job? Then, if it is okay, can I save my datas from the phone? And the full flash? Thank you for your help! -vision-

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08-30-2005, 12:12	#2 (permalink)
Chris02 No Life Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Germany Age: 37 Posts: 5,196 Member: 41076 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 53	Oh, sry, then I understood something wrong. If your phone died while you made a foto update your phone first with winswup (or have you already tried)? No data will be lost!

08-30-2005, 13:02	#3 (permalink)
vision Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Szolnok (sunshine :) City, Hungary, Europe Age: 39 Posts: 21 Member: 162426 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 0	Yes, I tried to take a photo as I made it a lot of times. But then the phone switched off, and since then don't switch on. Battery is full, and it not responds to charging. Okay, winswup. What I need for this? I have some winswup which has the things built-in (is it possible? the size of these exe files is about 9 or 10MBs if I remember good). And what should I do? Thx.4.your.reply! -vision-

08-30-2005, 13:19	#5 (permalink)
vision Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Szolnok (sunshine :) City, Hungary, Europe Age: 39 Posts: 21 Member: 162426 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 0	yeah, the first things what I tried to repair without "hard" work. But the softwares (original siemens, winswup, sst, eeprom tool) can't connect. So I must do test-point --- i think. Should I use a resistor? And what is with winsup? thx -vision-

08-30-2005, 14:15	#6 (permalink)
TriMesh Freak Poster Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Shenzhen, China Posts: 327 Member: 7911 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 7	I really don't think this is going to help - it sounds like a genuine hardware problem to me. Try connecting using Papuas and the testpoint - if that works, then you can try the "new bcore" option and see if that fixes it. You don't need a resistor - just check the "pause" box, short the TP to ground, start the phone up and then release the TP.

09-01-2005, 07:32	#7 (permalink)
vision Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Szolnok (sunshine :) City, Hungary, Europe Age: 39 Posts: 21 Member: 162426 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 0	Maybe I do something wrong but I can't connect with TP. So. I started Papuas, checked Pause, connected TP to GND, then tried to short the "red button" --> nothing happened. I tried it several times, but as I said: maybe I'm the "stupid" for this operation I removed the camera, the ear-piece, everything, and tried to switch on the phone with only LCD and keypad and another battery. Nothing happened. So as I said I don't want this phone back: what is important for me is the datas (pictures and messages) inside it!!! Any idea? I looked through the whole PCB for electrical or liquid damages...nothing. Or maybe my data-cable wrong? I haven't got another x65 phone to test it, so how can I see that my cable is able for this operation? Thx -vision-

09-01-2005, 08:25	#8 (permalink)
TriMesh Freak Poster Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Shenzhen, China Posts: 327 Member: 7911 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 7	I think it's a hardware problem... Have you tried another battery - if the battery is defective or too low voltage, then these phones won't power up even with external power applied. If you're completely stuck, then try and find someone that has SMT soldering equipment and a programmer with the right adapters for the flash, then open the dump file in Smelter. You should be able to get the files back this way.

09-01-2005, 13:10	#10 (permalink)
TriMesh Freak Poster Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Shenzhen, China Posts: 327 Member: 7911 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 7	No, what I meant was to physically remove the flash ROM from the phone and read it with external hardware. It sounds as if the phone won't power up at all, so no software based solution is going to help you.

09-01-2005, 21:12	#12 (permalink)
TriMesh Freak Poster Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Shenzhen, China Posts: 327 Member: 7911 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 7	Yeah, I've done this, but not with this particular phone. Sometime it's the only way to get data out of them. You will also need a BGA adapter with the right footprint for the flash chip in the phone - it's the 2nd largest chip (it probably has the intel "i" on it...)

09-05-2005, 11:08	#14 (permalink)
vision Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Szolnok (sunshine :) City, Hungary, Europe Age: 39 Posts: 21 Member: 162426 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 0	I browsed some pages about programming IC-s, cables, softwares and more. But what devices needed? Can somebody give me exact device names? thx -vision-

09-08-2005, 13:10	#15 (permalink)
vision Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Szolnok (sunshine :) City, Hungary, Europe Age: 39 Posts: 21 Member: 162426 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 0	I found a device "Pony Programmer", but I don't think that it is good for me. I found some more device for programming IC's, but I don't know the type of the siemens cxt65 IC (which stores mobile SW, images, messages, etc). Humm... -vision-