Two questions about the Firmware - GSM-Forum

itz_faraz · 06-21-2005, 08:28

1. Where is the firmware stored? on the MMC ?

2. When updating the firmware, the transfer speed is quite high. But when copying mp3s/etc in a normal manner the transfer speed is very low. Why is that? Can it be changed? firmware got updated (+3mb) in just a few minutes, whereas a 3mb song can take about 20 minutes.

Froster · 06-21-2005, 08:55

1. Firmware is not on MMC it's in the flash memory of your phone. Try to take the MMC card out of your phone and it still works - that's the easiest justification of this fact.

2. It takes usually about 10-12 minutes to update full firmware in the phone so you probably just copied the file to the MMC card, am I right? To update you need to use V_Klay or Freia not just DES. In that case it is normal that the files are copied in such a low transfer because this is the COM port capability - it can copy more data per second. Well, there is of course a patch increasing the transfer but not much.

Regards

Froster

rc-flitzer · 06-21-2005, 09:14

Using a card reader for getting MP3 files onto MMC is best method.

itz_faraz · 06-21-2005, 19:12

no Foster.. you have me wrong here. I didnt copied the firmware on the MMC. I have updated my firmware successfully, no problems at all. I just asked this question because when I took the Properties of all the files on the MMC, it showed that they aquire only 28 MB.. whereas the Data Exchange software and even the Card Explorer shows that the MMC is full. Now I recall that the firmware was of 3MB so I thought that firmware might be using the space. I wonder why my mobile is showing full space when all the files are taking only 28 mb.

rc-flitzer: would you please explain a bit more.. I didnt understand you properly.

Froster · 06-21-2005, 21:11

OK, sorry

The same phenomenon can also be observed on your hard drive. Try to click on the properties of for example drive C and take a look how much space does Windows show. I've got a 20 GB drive and Windows shows it's got only 18.4 GB. The same ist in the phone. I have 128 MB MMC card and I've got 122,1 MB available. I's absolutely normal thing.
As far as rc's post, he mant taht there are card readers that are connected to USB ports and they have much larger transfer of data. Take a look at ebay for example and search for MMC readers.

G spot · 06-26-2005, 23:38

I suppose, that this problem depends of cluster size (besides producers' lies pointed out by Froster). The fact is, that the real size of ringtone is few bytes, whereas it blocks 512 or more bytes of space.

rc-flitzer · 06-27-2005, 11:55

About MMC sizes:
1) in most cases the manufacturer of the card gives size information in million bytes, so e.g. a 32MB card has 32 000 000 bytes. But in computer's scale, a megabyte is 1024 * 1024 = 1 048 576 Bytes. Therefore in Card explorer you'll only get the info "30.5 MB' free.
2) The file system also needs some bytes. It's FAT32, so I think it will use 500 to 1000 KByte
3) If you have already data on your MMC, each file needs at last 512 Bytes, depending on cluster size. Many small files like sms or ringtones therefore need more space than their original size is.

G spot · 06-27-2005, 20:08

Very good compilation, rc-flitzer, but file system is FAT16, not 32.

06-21-2005, 08:28	#1 (permalink)
itz_faraz Insane Poster Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 30 Posts: 71 Member: 151292 Status: Offline Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Two questions about the Firmware 1. Where is the firmware stored? on the MMC ? 2. When updating the firmware, the transfer speed is quite high. But when copying mp3s/etc in a normal manner the transfer speed is very low. Why is that? Can it be changed? firmware got updated (+3mb) in just a few minutes, whereas a 3mb song can take about 20 minutes.

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06-21-2005, 08:55	#2 (permalink)
Froster Freak Poster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Poland Age: 30 Posts: 122 Member: 91303 Status: Offline Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1. Firmware is not on MMC it's in the flash memory of your phone. Try to take the MMC card out of your phone and it still works - that's the easiest justification of this fact. 2. It takes usually about 10-12 minutes to update full firmware in the phone so you probably just copied the file to the MMC card, am I right? To update you need to use V_Klay or Freia not just DES. In that case it is normal that the files are copied in such a low transfer because this is the COM port capability - it can copy more data per second. Well, there is of course a patch increasing the transfer but not much. Regards Froster

06-21-2005, 09:14	#3 (permalink)
rc-flitzer No Life Poster Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 593 Member: 60520 Status: Offline Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Using a card reader for getting MP3 files onto MMC is best method.

06-21-2005, 19:12	#4 (permalink)
itz_faraz Insane Poster Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 30 Posts: 71 Member: 151292 Status: Offline Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	no Foster.. you have me wrong here. I didnt copied the firmware on the MMC. I have updated my firmware successfully, no problems at all. I just asked this question because when I took the Properties of all the files on the MMC, it showed that they aquire only 28 MB.. whereas the Data Exchange software and even the Card Explorer shows that the MMC is full. Now I recall that the firmware was of 3MB so I thought that firmware might be using the space. I wonder why my mobile is showing full space when all the files are taking only 28 mb. rc-flitzer: would you please explain a bit more.. I didnt understand you properly.

06-21-2005, 21:11	#5 (permalink)
Froster Freak Poster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Poland Age: 30 Posts: 122 Member: 91303 Status: Offline Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	OK, sorry The same phenomenon can also be observed on your hard drive. Try to click on the properties of for example drive C and take a look how much space does Windows show. I've got a 20 GB drive and Windows shows it's got only 18.4 GB. The same ist in the phone. I have 128 MB MMC card and I've got 122,1 MB available. I's absolutely normal thing. As far as rc's post, he mant taht there are card readers that are connected to USB ports and they have much larger transfer of data. Take a look at ebay for example and search for MMC readers.

06-26-2005, 23:38	#6 (permalink)
G spot Insane Poster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 61 Member: 93204 Status: Offline Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I suppose, that this problem depends of cluster size (besides producers' lies pointed out by Froster). The fact is, that the real size of ringtone is few bytes, whereas it blocks 512 or more bytes of space.

06-27-2005, 11:55	#7 (permalink)
rc-flitzer No Life Poster Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 593 Member: 60520 Status: Offline Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	About MMC sizes: 1) in most cases the manufacturer of the card gives size information in million bytes, so e.g. a 32MB card has 32 000 000 bytes. But in computer's scale, a megabyte is 1024 * 1024 = 1 048 576 Bytes. Therefore in Card explorer you'll only get the info "30.5 MB' free. 2) The file system also needs some bytes. It's FAT32, so I think it will use 500 to 1000 KByte 3) If you have already data on your MMC, each file needs at last 512 Bytes, depending on cluster size. Many small files like sms or ringtones therefore need more space than their original size is.

06-27-2005, 20:08	#8 (permalink)
G spot Insane Poster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 61 Member: 93204 Status: Offline Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Very good compilation, rc-flitzer, but file system is FAT16, not 32.