QUESTIONS to all ROMANIAN unlockers - GSM-Forum

razvan · 05-11-2004, 00:28

salutare natiune!
vreau sa discutam despre legalitatea activitatii noastre cat si despre legislatia de la noi...
suntem sau nu ocrotiti de lege?
ce sanse avem sa ne trezim cu dosare penale?
vad ca ai nostrii guvernanti in prag de alegeri sunt pusi pe rele (vezi Blanculescu, etc).
inca de acum 3si1/2 ani de cand am inceput aceasta activitate, fiind si o fire mai fricoasa, m-am tot intrebat... acum insa nu m-am mai putut abtine si vreau sa aud si parerea voastra.

evilspell · 05-11-2004, 09:57

@razvan,
i think that you know the rules,anyway if you post in romanian,translate it also in english (to respect the others members)!!

razvan · 05-11-2004, 14:18

@evilspell
ok. my mistake. the fact is that i couldn't resist not to post in nativ language.
i will try not to do so in future.

evilspell · 05-11-2004, 14:50

@razvan .... okey,NP but translate your post please...

dani146 · 05-11-2004, 19:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by razvan

salutare natiune!
vreau sa discutam despre legalitatea activitatii noastre cat si despre legislatia de la noi...
suntem sau nu ocrotiti de lege?
ce sanse avem sa ne trezim cu dosare penale?
vad ca ai nostrii guvernanti in prag de alegeri sunt pusi pe rele (vezi Blanculescu, etc).
inca de acum 3si1/2 ani de cand am inceput aceasta activitate, fiind si o fire mai fricoasa, m-am tot intrebat... acum insa nu m-am mai putut abtine si vreau sa aud si parerea voastra.

I'll try to help and in respect of all members here (and rules) I'll post the translation of above text:
"hello nation!
I want to discuss about legality of our activity and olso about our legislation...
Are we protected or not by law?
what are the chances that we get ourselves with penal files?
I see that our guvernants (election time now) are on us (see Blanculescu, etc).
Since 3 and a half years when we start this activity, beeing myself a cautious guy, I keep ask this to myself... Now, I can't hold myself anymore and I wanted to hear your opinion."

WBR,
Daniel M.

P.S. sorry if in my translation I writed something wrong... I did it fast

mr_x4you · 05-11-2004, 20:16

You were supposed to be tired at this hour !

)

dani146 · 05-11-2004, 21:16

yes but I realy want to do this

evilspell · 05-12-2004, 10:36

tx for translation Dani

dani146 · 05-12-2004, 10:57

no problem

WBR,
Daniel M.

razvan · 05-12-2004, 17:56

thank you dani146.
i really wanted to translate myself but yesterday i accesed the net in hurry...
today it's too late

anyway do you have something to say at the subject?

mr_x4you · 05-12-2004, 20:22

No law can keep me aside to not unlock phones, if it will be still possible. Politicians can kiss our a**es !

razvan · 05-12-2004, 22:43

@mr_x4you
good for you.
please tell me... do you work as independent or you work in a company (your company)? that's very important and you know why...
some head from Economic Police came to me and asked if i have licence for programs. i sayed yes... for Windows. they had checked provenience paper and that was all.
they are people i know and they told me it's not ok what i'm doing (refering at unlocking phones) and i could have problems in the appropiate future.
what do you think about that?
i don't want to wear chains!

mr_x4you · 05-12-2004, 23:04

Well, talk to a lawyer for this matter, but I don't know if in our laws unlocking is illegal. Well, there's another thing, the phone you unlock is owned by a person because he payed for it, and in this case he can do whatever he wants with it. Also, consider unlocking as a "security area rebuild", so you can write in papers you rebuild ORIGINAL IMEI. And another thing, try to return phone locked, and code written to a paper to custormer, in this way he will decide if he wants it unlocked later (you can do this for Alcatel 320, Mitsubishi, Nokia, Sagem, C62, ST55, etc, all phones that can be unlocked by codes)

razvan · 05-12-2004, 23:14

it's an interesting point of view... i appreciate. thank you!
lawyer can't help because it's hard to find a good one! and you risk to pay for nothing(i experienced)

what about Connex and Orange? those operators have nothing to say? they are loosing money... they can also unlock phones but for a higher price, and only operator code (nck).

nen77 · 06-08-2004, 15:34

"what i know"

i got a "gsm service" and before i legalized my businesi talked with a lawer:

........ flashing it is not legal becouse of copiright law..
when you modify original software in phone you broke a property of nokia,se..etc
for doing this you need to be a authorised service by the most of phone manufacturers...
best part is this : like microsft(bsa) .. nokia ,se, siemens,.. need a organisation for legal issues and... to prove that you are doing this
A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENT MATTER IS WHEN YOU CHANGE IMEI...this is strictely forbiden.....

.......also for home unlockers it is another problem ...
taking money from anothers persons without any papers or a legal form is ilegal in romania ...you need to have a company or to be a small manufacturer and to pay taxes (vat .cas etc) and to declare this income

but anyway like mrx (salut santo) says:
No law can keep me aside to not unlock phones, if it will be still possible. Politicians can kiss our a**es !

05-11-2004, 00:28	#1 (permalink)
razvan Freak Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: on air Age: 46 Posts: 431 Member: 5921 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 5	QUESTIONS to all ROMANIAN unlockers salutare natiune! vreau sa discutam despre legalitatea activitatii noastre cat si despre legislatia de la noi... suntem sau nu ocrotiti de lege? ce sanse avem sa ne trezim cu dosare penale? vad ca ai nostrii guvernanti in prag de alegeri sunt pusi pe rele (vezi Blanculescu, etc). inca de acum 3si1/2 ani de cand am inceput aceasta activitate, fiind si o fire mai fricoasa, m-am tot intrebat... acum insa nu m-am mai putut abtine si vreau sa aud si parerea voastra.

06-08-2004, 15:34	#15 (permalink)
nen77 Freak Poster Join Date: Mar 2003 Age: 46 Posts: 405 Member: 25392 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 10	ce stiu eu "what i know" i got a "gsm service" and before i legalized my businesi talked with a lawer: ........ flashing it is not legal becouse of copiright law.. when you modify original software in phone you broke a property of nokia,se..etc for doing this you need to be a authorised service by the most of phone manufacturers... best part is this : like microsft(bsa) .. nokia ,se, siemens,.. need a organisation for legal issues and... to prove that you are doing this A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENT MATTER IS WHEN YOU CHANGE IMEI...this is strictely forbiden..... .......also for home unlockers it is another problem ... taking money from anothers persons without any papers or a legal form is ilegal in romania ...you need to have a company or to be a small manufacturer and to pay taxes (vat .cas etc) and to declare this income but anyway like mrx (salut santo) says: No law can keep me aside to not unlock phones, if it will be still possible. Politicians can kiss our a**es !

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05-11-2004, 09:57	#2 (permalink)
evilspell No Life Poster Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: on the beach Posts: 1,995 Member: 4160 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 1	@razvan, i think that you know the rules,anyway if you post in romanian,translate it also in english (to respect the others members)!!

05-11-2004, 14:18	#3 (permalink)
razvan Freak Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: on air Age: 46 Posts: 431 Member: 5921 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 5	@evilspell ok. my mistake. the fact is that i couldn't resist not to post in nativ language. i will try not to do so in future.

05-11-2004, 14:50	#4 (permalink)
evilspell No Life Poster Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: on the beach Posts: 1,995 Member: 4160 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 1	@razvan .... okey,NP but translate your post please...

05-11-2004, 20:16	#6 (permalink)
mr_x4you Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: x Posts: 3,295 Member: 4989 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 13	You were supposed to be tired at this hour ! )

05-11-2004, 21:16	#7 (permalink)
dani146 Product Supporter Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cluj,Romania Age: 51 Posts: 1,107 Member: 3812 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 3	yes but I realy want to do this

05-12-2004, 10:36	#8 (permalink)
evilspell No Life Poster Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: on the beach Posts: 1,995 Member: 4160 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 1	tx for translation Dani

05-12-2004, 10:57	#9 (permalink)
dani146 Product Supporter Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cluj,Romania Age: 51 Posts: 1,107 Member: 3812 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 3	no problem WBR, Daniel M.

05-12-2004, 17:56	#10 (permalink)
razvan Freak Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: on air Age: 46 Posts: 431 Member: 5921 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 5	thank you dani146. i really wanted to translate myself but yesterday i accesed the net in hurry... today it's too late anyway do you have something to say at the subject?

05-12-2004, 20:22	#11 (permalink)
mr_x4you Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: x Posts: 3,295 Member: 4989 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 13	No law can keep me aside to not unlock phones, if it will be still possible. Politicians can kiss our a**es !

05-12-2004, 22:43	#12 (permalink)
razvan Freak Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: on air Age: 46 Posts: 431 Member: 5921 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 5	@mr_x4you good for you. please tell me... do you work as independent or you work in a company (your company)? that's very important and you know why... some head from Economic Police came to me and asked if i have licence for programs. i sayed yes... for Windows. they had checked provenience paper and that was all. they are people i know and they told me it's not ok what i'm doing (refering at unlocking phones) and i could have problems in the appropiate future. what do you think about that? i don't want to wear chains!

05-12-2004, 23:04	#13 (permalink)
mr_x4you Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: x Posts: 3,295 Member: 4989 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 13	Well, talk to a lawyer for this matter, but I don't know if in our laws unlocking is illegal. Well, there's another thing, the phone you unlock is owned by a person because he payed for it, and in this case he can do whatever he wants with it. Also, consider unlocking as a "security area rebuild", so you can write in papers you rebuild ORIGINAL IMEI. And another thing, try to return phone locked, and code written to a paper to custormer, in this way he will decide if he wants it unlocked later (you can do this for Alcatel 320, Mitsubishi, Nokia, Sagem, C62, ST55, etc, all phones that can be unlocked by codes)

05-12-2004, 23:14	#14 (permalink)
razvan Freak Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: on air Age: 46 Posts: 431 Member: 5921 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 5	it's an interesting point of view... i appreciate. thank you! lawyer can't help because it's hard to find a good one! and you risk to pay for nothing(i experienced) what about Connex and Orange? those operators have nothing to say? they are loosing money... they can also unlock phones but for a higher price, and only operator code (nck).