Activation lock makes you a thieve?! - GSM-Forum

digfurka · 10-30-2013, 10:27

It is not necessary that iphone is stolen when Activation locked: I assume that Apple will have to solve this because there are more and more people stucked which are second hand iphone owners and NOT thieves!

Here is what I have tested and concluded yesterday:
An example. You buy an iPhone from original owner, he manually deletes all of his private data but somehow he does not delete his iCloud details. You use it for a few months, somehow you get stucked in recovery mode (or something else happens) or you just need to restore it. And sell to 3rd owner (for example).

You make a clean restore and your iphone is automatically linked to 1st owner Apple ID. Of course, you cannot reach that person.

And what?

Does this make you a thief in Apple's eyes? Yes, it does!

This is a serious problem and Apple should at least offer a way to get in contact with the (linked) Apple ID owner! At least not to show the full Apple ID but to offer an "in iphone" or "in iTunes" possibility to write to the (linked) Apple ID owner and ask him to remove the device from his iCloud.

What do you say?

raselcox · 10-31-2013, 11:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by digfurka

It is not necessary that iphone is stolen when Activation locked: I assume that Apple will have to solve this because there are more and more people stucked which are second hand iphone owners and NOT thieves!

Here is what I have tested and concluded yesterday:
An example. You buy an iPhone from original owner, he manually deletes all of his private data but somehow he does not delete his iCloud details. You use it for a few months, somehow you get stucked in recovery mode (or something else happens) or you just need to restore it. And sell to 3rd owner (for example).

You make a clean restore and your iphone is automatically linked to 1st owner Apple ID. Of course, you cannot reach that person.

And what?

Does this make you a thief in Apple's eyes? Yes, it does!

This is a serious problem and Apple should at least offer a way to get in contact with the (linked) Apple ID owner! At least not to show the full Apple ID but to offer an "in iPhone" or "in iTunes" possibility to write to the (linked) Apple ID owner and ask him to remove the device from his iCloud.

What do you say?

I don't have any word because I already got 13 iPhone in this condition and still I don't find any solution for revive those phones. Apple makes security stronger for thieves but generally second hand user are suffered for this most. So I m agree with u too make any solution to exist this problem.

Br
Rasel

mickle1 · 11-01-2013, 23:39

it is according to apple, your responsability to make sure you check the previous owner has deleted the unit from the icloud account.
apple also wont unlock the unit unless your the original owner its a crazy policy but hey apple think they own the world

memas_trading · 11-04-2013, 14:42

i agree with you bro but problem is if someone buy from another i mean 3rd party and he don,t know the people .so how can he contact with them .if have any other sulotion plz share with us .............................big thanks in advance

ectrade · 11-04-2013, 14:58

well om my case i have the first owner in my shop he doesnt remember the password exactly or his password is not working for some reason, i did try his possibilities but no result, in order to get his details i had to install his backup into another phone now i have one working wich i cant undo "find my iphone" , if i reset it i will be stuck on start up menu. the other one is already messed up.

digfurka · 11-04-2013, 15:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by mickle1

it is according to apple, your responsability to make sure you check the previous owner has deleted the unit from the icloud account.
apple also wont unlock the unit unless your the original owner its a crazy policy but hey apple think they own the world

They have to make solution because there is more and more devices locked. Also, do you think that all people think the same? Like, do all people remember that they have to log off in icloud? I think not.

They have to make a solution because not all people know that they MUST log off and that certainly does not make you a thief.

When a original owner responds your or Apples inquiiry to delete the device from Find my iPhone and says "You f****ing thief!", that means that you stole or that you bought a stolen iphone!

mmrozibul · 11-04-2013, 15:46

apple dont have any responsibility about this, this is matter of our awareness...and legality

hugmax · 11-04-2013, 16:13

Ir you buy the phone from a legal place / person. There is no chance that you will have a problem.
I already tried 2 times to get the icloud account and apple id and both times worked perfectly.
Now, all crooks will be having a hard time to sale stolen / found iPhones.

One guy came to the shop and when I told him the name and phone number of the original owner he told me that he would smashed against the wall if he couldn't used it. He never had the intentions to give it back.

Suck it.

Enviado desde mi A100 usando ******** 2

javy97 · 11-05-2013, 17:10

Is there a service in unlock section (and other webs) to disable Activation Lock but it's expensive, more than $100 . Not valid for losten and erased phones.

Yes, it possible to bypass without contacting the 1st owner but it's better Apple's info about it (I know about Activation Lock thanks to unlocking websites...)

ukmobile. · 11-10-2013, 10:35

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Originally Posted by shahzad_4u

contact me for icloud activation at skype only urgent solution

i want to contact you so what shall i do?

asadnow2k · 11-10-2013, 12:41

he is offering flash files. but no one reported successfully

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Originally Posted by ukmobile.

i want to contact you so what shall i do?

farelsirait · 11-10-2013, 15:06

if you accept paypal , i'll take the risk 70%. But you accept only WU…

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Originally Posted by shahzad_4u

skype pine.apple269

yamen h.a · 11-12-2013, 04:46

belielve me gus the owner suffer form this problem more and more than thieves

andrewfriar · 11-12-2013, 09:56

This all depends upon the first owner. Apple dont take responcibility to give solution for this.

digfurka · 11-12-2013, 11:49

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Originally Posted by andrewfriar

This all depends upon the first owner. Apple dont take responcibility to give solution for this.

But they will have to do something, don't you agree?

You can't ignore the fact that more and more devices are in the same problem.

I would also notice one important thing: what was the purpose of this feature? Anti-theft? It would be nice to see the statistics of this feature, I would not say that this feature did much good to everyone, especially I would not say that original owner got their device back. I do not know anyone that lost and successfully recovered its device.

10-30-2013, 10:27	#1 (permalink)
digfurka Freak Poster Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 206 Member: 1740209 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 36	Activation lock makes you a thieve?! It is not necessary that iphone is stolen when Activation locked: I assume that Apple will have to solve this because there are more and more people stucked which are second hand iphone owners and NOT thieves! Here is what I have tested and concluded yesterday: An example. You buy an iPhone from original owner, he manually deletes all of his private data but somehow he does not delete his iCloud details. You use it for a few months, somehow you get stucked in recovery mode (or something else happens) or you just need to restore it. And sell to 3rd owner (for example). You make a clean restore and your iphone is automatically linked to 1st owner Apple ID. Of course, you cannot reach that person. And what? Does this make you a thief in Apple's eyes? Yes, it does! This is a serious problem and Apple should at least offer a way to get in contact with the (linked) Apple ID owner! At least not to show the full Apple ID but to offer an "in iphone" or "in iTunes" possibility to write to the (linked) Apple ID owner and ask him to remove the device from his iCloud. What do you say?

11-01-2013, 23:39	#3 (permalink)
mickle1 No Life Poster Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: on a different planet Posts: 789 Member: 228253 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 22	it is according to apple, your responsability to make sure you check the previous owner has deleted the unit from the icloud account. apple also wont unlock the unit unless your the original owner its a crazy policy but hey apple think they own the world

11-04-2013, 14:42	#4 (permalink)
memas_trading Freak Poster Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: deira dubai Posts: 249 Member: 1797460 Status: Offline Sonork: 100.1622335 Thanks Meter: 24	i agree with you bro but problem is if someone buy from another i mean 3rd party and he don,t know the people .so how can he contact with them .if have any other sulotion plz share with us .............................big thanks in advance

11-04-2013, 14:58	#5 (permalink)
ectrade Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Age: 49 Posts: 8 Member: 91555 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 0	well om my case i have the first owner in my shop he doesnt remember the password exactly or his password is not working for some reason, i did try his possibilities but no result, in order to get his details i had to install his backup into another phone now i have one working wich i cant undo "find my iphone" , if i reset it i will be stuck on start up menu. the other one is already messed up.

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mmrozibul No Life Poster Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Inside Technology Posts: 1,008 Member: 725443 Status: Offline Sonork: 100.1601305 Thanks Meter: 330	apple dont have any responsibility about this, this is matter of our awareness...and legality

11-04-2013, 16:13	#8 (permalink)
hugmax No Life Poster Join Date: May 2009 Location: spain Posts: 2,991 Member: 1038811 Status: Offline Sonork: 100.1585462 Thanks Meter: 974	Ir you buy the phone from a legal place / person. There is no chance that you will have a problem. I already tried 2 times to get the icloud account and apple id and both times worked perfectly. Now, all crooks will be having a hard time to sale stolen / found iPhones. One guy came to the shop and when I told him the name and phone number of the original owner he told me that he would smashed against the wall if he couldn't used it. He never had the intentions to give it back. Suck it. Enviado desde mi A100 usando ******** 2

11-05-2013, 17:10	#9 (permalink)
javy97 Freak Poster Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Madrid, Spain Age: 27 Posts: 114 Member: 1800553 Status: Offline Sonork: 100.1649071 Thanks Meter: 5	Is there a service in unlock section (and other webs) to disable Activation Lock but it's expensive, more than $100 . Not valid for losten and erased phones. Yes, it possible to bypass without contacting the 1st owner but it's better Apple's info about it (I know about Activation Lock thanks to unlocking websites...)

11-12-2013, 04:46	#13 (permalink)
yamen h.a Freak Poster Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 125 Member: 1938863 Status: Offline Sonork: 444555 Thanks Meter: 7	belielve me gus the owner suffer form this problem more and more than thieves

11-12-2013, 09:56	#14 (permalink)
andrewfriar Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 6 Member: 2039161 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 1	This all depends upon the first owner. Apple dont take responcibility to give solution for this.