*** Cyclone Box and VPP thing *** - Page 3 - GSM-Forum

ptt · 06-01-2009, 22:22

If you dont want to build the DC -DC converter posted by MiH because dont have the knowledge o are too lazy, you can get ones ready to use, for free.... look for an old 10Mbps ethernet card, the ones that comes with BNC conector, they use an 5V to 9V DC-DC converter.....

BR

Ptt

randy_d4 · 06-02-2009, 06:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyclonebox

It's internal VPP problem not External.
Can you post picture of your PCB please?
Sorry, my sonork lost

Yes!

Also here is log without External adapter:

Code:

HW Revision: A, Suitable for: Production, Case: First Plastic Case, MCU Manufacture Time: 2009, wk01 / wk06
Initializing security card...
Card Serial Number: D20000XX
Card Firmware Revision: 0109
Card is activated
Box is activated
Started box selftests procedure
USB Voltage	4,97v	PASSED
MCU Voltage	3,29v	PASSED
Core Voltage	1,75v	PASSED
VBAT Voltage	0,01v	PASSED
VBAT Voltage	4,93v	PASSED
Box VPP disabled
VPP Voltage	0,07v	PASSED
Internal Box VPP Enabled
VPP Voltage	4,83v	PASSED
Box VPP disabled
VPP Voltage	0,02v	PASSED
External Box VPP Enabled
VPP Voltage	0,04v	FAILED - IGNORED - Probably power supply is not connected
Box VPP disabled
All box selftests passed!
Initializing FBUS...
All initialized - Ready to work

One more thing that i have noticed,when i connect ext adapter 9V consumption rises to more than 500ma and pcb become warmer.

moulnisky · 06-05-2009, 14:42

If is added this modify to obtain the 9V from a 5V external source we can use the same source to give power to the fone on the Vbatt. Using a power module like the NEO_49 one

it will be powered by a stable 5V power supply solving all the APE problems..
This two modify together coul make of Cyclone the most reliable BOX adding stability in powering the mobile and speed in the flash operation just using only one external power supply 5V 1A.
The only problem left open is the BSI value but this one can be easy solved using Good cable or the Cyclone Cable set when out.. no roblem of course for who is using a UFC.

BR

Alex

ptt · 06-05-2009, 23:11

Hi to all, i think, there is some alternatives an some things to consider:

- Most of power supply issues are related to 5V provided by USB port are related to bad quality PC power supply, most motherboard take the power from 5VSB (stand-by power) for USB ports, and many other IC´s and if it is not good quality you can have troubles

- The power delivered to the Phone is taken from USB port via LM1950T (U3 in Cyclone PCB) it is a switch 750mA continuous 1.4A peak. It`s like Neo_49 power module.

Cyclone team, maybe can:

- Provide the box with a cable like is used in some external 2.5" HDD cages: it have 2 USB A conectors, 1 with te 4 wires, the other only +5V and GND, and 1 USB B (box conector) it is to can use more power.

- Provide the box with an 5V 2A switching power supply like the PSM11R-050 from PHIHONG TECHNOLOGY CO LTD (UL listed E127643) adding a switching step-up converter like MiH`09 but with SMD MC34063 in a daugtherboard (you can contiunes using actual PCB) to obtain the 9V for VPP and not take Power from USB, i think this is the best way to solve both troubles: VPP & Local mode- power suply to phone. But it increase the cost of the Box.

BR

Sorry my bad eng.

Qaisar Mahmood · 06-10-2009, 05:18

I am using Smart clip Charger 9v- 500mA
VPP Voltage 12.83v FAILED - IGNORED - Probably power supply is not connected

Card Serial Number:---------
Card Firmware Revision: 0109
Card is activated
Box is activated
Started box selftests procedure
USB Voltage 5.03v PASSED
MCU Voltage 3.29v PASSED
Core Voltage 1.82v PASSED
VBAT Voltage 0.01v PASSED
VBAT Voltage 4.97v PASSED
Box VPP disabled
VPP Voltage 0.00v PASSED
Internal Box VPP Enabled
VPP Voltage 5.01v PASSED
Box VPP disabled
VPP Voltage 0.04v PASSED
External Box VPP Enabled
VPP Voltage 12.83v FAILED - IGNORED - Probably power supply is not connected
Box VPP disabled
All box selftests passed!
Initializing FBUS...
All initialized - Ready to work

akhil_bbsr · 06-10-2009, 05:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by moulnisky

if is added this modify to obtain the 9v from a 5v external source we can use the same source to give power to the fone on the vbatt. Using a power module like the neo_49 one

it will be powered by a stable 5v power supply solving all the ape problems..
This two modify together coul make of cyclone the most reliable box adding stability in powering the mobile and speed in the flash operation just using only one external power supply 5v 1a.
The only problem left open is the bsi value but this one can be easy solved using good cable or the cyclone cable set when out.. No roblem of course for who is using a ufc.

Br

alex

requred more perfect connection daigram where to wher connect.it is difficult to understand

sawrou · 06-16-2009, 00:20

mr sawrou how to flach nokia 5800 with cycolone box ime 12345678

Hady_e02@yahoo · 06-23-2009, 14:03

Nokia DCT4/WD2/BB5 Service Tool Initialization Started, Engine Revision: 1.0.0.7828
Handling device: [Cyclone Team], [Cyclone Bootloader]
Handling device: [Cyclone Team], [Cyclone Box]
Initializing box...
Box Firmware: Cyclone Nokia Application v1.05, (Jun 22 2009 12:23:29, gcc-4.2.2, RTOS v5.2.0), Type: Signed Production Application, Flags: CONST-TX2-PIN ; VISTA-SUPPORT ; BB5-NCK-CALC
Box Serial Number: C00003E6
HW Revision: A, Suitable for: Production, Case: First Plastic Case, MCU Manufacture Time: 2008, wk32
Initializing security card...
Card Serial Number: D100038B
Card Firmware Revision: 0109
Card is activated
Box is activated
Started box selftests procedure
USB Voltage 5.02v PASSED
MCU Voltage 3.29v PASSED
Core Voltage 1.82v PASSED
VBAT Voltage 0.01v PASSED
VBAT Voltage 4.92v PASSED
Box VPP disabled
VPP Voltage 0.02v PASSED
Internal Box VPP Enabled
Box Selftests Failed -> VPP Supply Voltage test failed, 0.04v is out of valid range
Initializing FBUS...
All initialized - Ready to work

box failed seltest diagnostic...i measure with avometer it's about 9,5v dc adaptor that i use...what's wrong?i hv jumper R53..please help me..

karwos · 06-23-2009, 22:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hady_e02@yahoo

Nokia DCT4/WD2/BB5 Service Tool Initialization Started, Engine Revision: 1.0.0.7828
Handling device: [Cyclone Team], [Cyclone Bootloader]
Handling device: [Cyclone Team], [Cyclone Box]
Initializing box...
Box Firmware: Cyclone Nokia Application v1.05, (Jun 22 2009 12:23:29, gcc-4.2.2, RTOS v5.2.0), Type: Signed Production Application, Flags: CONST-TX2-PIN ; VISTA-SUPPORT ; BB5-NCK-CALC
Box Serial Number: C00003E6
HW Revision: A, Suitable for: Production, Case: First Plastic Case, MCU Manufacture Time: 2008, wk32
Initializing security card...
Card Serial Number: D100038B
Card Firmware Revision: 0109
Card is activated
Box is activated
Started box selftests procedure
USB Voltage 5.02v PASSED
MCU Voltage 3.29v PASSED
Core Voltage 1.82v PASSED
VBAT Voltage 0.01v PASSED
VBAT Voltage 4.92v PASSED
Box VPP disabled
VPP Voltage 0.02v PASSED
Internal Box VPP Enabled
Box Selftests Failed -> VPP Supply Voltage test failed, 0.04v is out of valid range
Initializing FBUS...
All initialized - Ready to work

box failed seltest diagnostic...i measure with avometer it's about 9,5v dc adaptor that i use...what's wrong?i hv jumper R53..please help me..

Check LM1950t / CS 8240 power supply ICs.. looks like they might have some problems

MiH · 06-24-2009, 12:47

I just tested a flashing speed with and without Vpp connected.

IT SEEMS MY HW REVISION OF CYCLONE DOES'N HAVE VPP PIN (pin 9) CONNECTED !!! Only to capacitor C60 (0,1uF) and from it nowhere !!!

For proper work is need to connect a small wire as is on picture (yellow colour).

(just look bellow on pics)

karwos · 06-24-2009, 16:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiH

I just tested a flashing speed with and without Vpp connected.

IT SEEMS MY HW REVISION OF CYCLONE DOES'N HAVE VPP PIN (pin 9) CONNECTED !!! Only to capacitor C60 (0,1uF) and from it nowhere !!!

For proper work is need to connect a small wire as is on picture (yellow colour).

(just look bellow on pics)

Well, It was stated already on forum that some HW revisions haven't placed R53 resistor, In fact you don't need cross,
but you need find "R53" field and make cross on it (or put 0R) resistor

MiH · 06-24-2009, 17:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyclonebox

Well, It was stated already on forum that some HW revisions haven't placed R53 resistor, In fact you don't need cross,
but you need find "R53" field and make cross on it (or put 0R) resistor

But in my PCB is not a R53 position, even wire from Vpp pin.9 is connected ONLY to C60 (it is very well to see in photos).

LIEREN · 06-24-2009, 20:52

R53 What is? thank sir

LIEREN · 06-24-2009, 20:59

box de DIAGNOSTIC ?? Please answer thanks you....sir

karwos · 06-24-2009, 22:13

Check this picture please and compare your pcb

06-01-2009, 22:22	#31 (permalink)
ptt No Life Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: RETIRED ! Age: 47 Posts: 3,327 Member: 348680 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 1,273	Free 5V to 9V Step-up DC - DC converter If you dont want to build the DC -DC converter posted by MiH because dont have the knowledge o are too lazy, you can get ones ready to use, for free.... look for an old 10Mbps ethernet card, the ones that comes with BNC conector, they use an 5V to 9V DC-DC converter..... BR Ptt

06-05-2009, 14:42	#33 (permalink)
moulnisky No Life Poster Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: England Age: 59 Posts: 17,681 Member: 947561 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 14,053	I think if is in project to modify the PCB of cyclone is to consider this.. If is added this modify to obtain the 9V from a 5V external source we can use the same source to give power to the fone on the Vbatt. Using a power module like the NEO_49 one it will be powered by a stable 5V power supply solving all the APE problems.. This two modify together coul make of Cyclone the most reliable BOX adding stability in powering the mobile and speed in the flash operation just using only one external power supply 5V 1A. The only problem left open is the BSI value but this one can be easy solved using Good cable or the Cyclone Cable set when out.. no roblem of course for who is using a UFC. BR Alex

06-05-2009, 23:11	#34 (permalink)
ptt No Life Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: RETIRED ! Age: 47 Posts: 3,327 Member: 348680 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 1,273	Hi to all, i think, there is some alternatives an some things to consider: - Most of power supply issues are related to 5V provided by USB port are related to bad quality PC power supply, most motherboard take the power from 5VSB (stand-by power) for USB ports, and many other IC´s and if it is not good quality you can have troubles - The power delivered to the Phone is taken from USB port via LM1950T (U3 in Cyclone PCB) it is a switch 750mA continuous 1.4A peak. It`s like Neo_49 power module. Cyclone team, maybe can: - Provide the box with a cable like is used in some external 2.5" HDD cages: it have 2 USB A conectors, 1 with te 4 wires, the other only +5V and GND, and 1 USB B (box conector) it is to can use more power. - Provide the box with an 5V 2A switching power supply like the PSM11R-050 from PHIHONG TECHNOLOGY CO LTD (UL listed E127643) adding a switching step-up converter like MiH`09 but with SMD MC34063 in a daugtherboard (you can contiunes using actual PCB) to obtain the 9V for VPP and not take Power from USB, i think this is the best way to solve both troubles: VPP & Local mode- power suply to phone. But it increase the cost of the Box. BR Sorry my bad eng. Last edited by ptt; 06-05-2009 at 23:21.

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MiH Freak Poster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: slovakia Age: 48 Posts: 259 Member: 18876 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 27	I just tested a flashing speed with and without Vpp connected. IT SEEMS MY HW REVISION OF CYCLONE DOES'N HAVE VPP PIN (pin 9) CONNECTED !!! Only to capacitor C60 (0,1uF) and from it nowhere !!! For proper work is need to connect a small wire as is on picture (yellow colour). (just look bellow on pics)

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karwos No Life Poster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Poland Age: 34 Posts: 4,943 Member: 117496 Status: Offline Sonork: 100.83919 Thanks Meter: 22,689	Check this picture please and compare your pcb