ATF eMMC direct, chip compatibility ? - GSM-Forum

laptopmd · 04-22-2014, 10:20

Hi ATF Team.

I have used with success the emmc tool with 3 emmc from Samsung S2 (i9100) phones.

Now i must read data from an emmc coming from an i9300 Samsung S3, because something went bad and the phone will not start.
The first suspect was a dead chip, but i have connected to ATF nitro and it is detected by the software.
Then when i try to read, the tool enter into a "retry" loop without end, this is the log :

Code:

======================================================
======================================================
       eMMC Test Point Connection Module             
======================================================
======================================================
                                                      
1. DO NOT USE THE PHONE"S BATTERY                     
2. Connect the Soldered TP Connections to ATF Box     
3. Disconnect the USB Cable and Wait until the        
   the ATF Software will tell you to Connect the USB. 
                                                      
Interface Reset OK!
eMMC Access Type: SECTOR MODE
eMMC Supported Voltage Range:
3.5-3.6V, 3.4-3.5V, 3.3-3.4V, 3.2-3.3V, 3.1-3.2V
3.0-3.1V, 2.9-3.0V, 2.8-2.9V, 2.7-2.8V, 1.9-2.0V
CID : 1501003030303030305620110726
CSD : 902701320F5903FFF6DBFFEF8A404023
eMMC Boot Information
Revision 1.5 (for MMC v4.41)
BOOT PARTITION     : NOT BOOT ENABLED
PARTITION ACCESS   : R/W USER PARTITION
PERM_BOOT_CFG_PROT : DISABLED
PWR_BOOT_CFG_PROT  : DISABLED
eMMC FirmW UPDATE  : DISABLED
EMMC CACHE SIZE    : 0 KB
SUPER PAGE SIZE    : 4096 KB
HC ERASE GROUP SIZE: 512 KB
USER AREA SIZE     : 17179869184 BYTES
BOOT PARTITION SIZE: 512 KB
RPMB PARTITION SIZE: 128 KB

eMMC Device Information
Manufacturer ID: SAMSUNG
Device Type    : Embedded BGA
Application ID : 00
Product Name   : 000000
Product Rev    : 5.6
Product SN     : 20110726
Manufactured   : January 2005
Card Specific Data
CSD_STRUCTURE     : Version 1.2
SPEC_VERS         : Version 4.1/4.2/4.3
TAAC              : 13 ns
TRANS_SPEED       : 4000000 KHz
READ_BL_LEN       : 512 Bytes
C_SIZE            : HIGH CAPACITY
WP_GRP_ENABLE     : YES
WRITE_BL_LEN      : 512 Bytes
CONTENT_PROT_APP  : NO
PERM_WRITE_PROTECT: NO
TMP_WRITE_PROTECT : NO
Extended CSD Saved:
1501003030303030305620110726_BD9F6C12.ext_csd
Backup Directory:
C:\AdvanceBox Turbo Flasher\eMMC\EXT_CSD\

What look strange to me is :

1. BOOT PARTITION : NOT BOOT ENABLED
Means that the bootloader is missing/defective ?

2 Product Name : 000000
Instead of "VTU00m" etc..

This chip was manufactured in 2005, and it is revision 1.5 , it is possible that this interface/software is not compatible with this date ?

Thanks for your support

laptopmd · 04-22-2014, 10:20

Just for info :

My interface power the chip with 2.8V and 1.8V , wires soldered directly on chip, chip NOT on board, and i have not placed pullup resistors.

laptopmd · 04-25-2014, 08:44

up..

Some suggestion from ATF Support ?
Thanks

Advance-Box · 04-25-2014, 08:53

@laptopmd

In my experience:

1. Use 3.30v on VccQ and Vcc
2. Use PULL-UP 100 ohms on CMD and DATA
3. On ATF Software, Select 3.30v

All my test eMMC Chips are detected by step 1-2-3.

Tested on:
Samsung, San.Disk, Toshiba, Hynix, Micron

Which were placed inside my eMMC Socket adapter.

If eMMC is still on Phone PCB, then use 2.80v instead of 3.30v and put 2.80v on ATF software as well. If not stable, then move up to 3.30v on both your external power and on ATF software.

The pull up resistor is important and it makes it more stable for read/write operations.

B.R.

laptopmd · 04-25-2014, 09:25

Thank you Advance-Box !

Nope, emmc is not on the board. I have tried before, but it was even not detected by atf (connected with 3.3V and pullup resistors).

Then i have removed emmc from the board, and soldered wires directly to it, and then checked for continuity, and lowered voltage to 2.8v and 1.8v from IC regulators (i was scared to burn the chip). At this point ATF recognized the chip, but not read the content.

I will try your suggestion, thank you very much !

电源ic · 04-25-2014, 16:41

Emmc name 000000 you will have to chip in a i9300 or n7100 mobile phone motherboard, and then use the sd card and coal. Wait for about 1 2 minutes, the chip will resurrect! Emmc name will become VTU00M

laptopmd · 04-25-2014, 18:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by 电源ic

Emmc name 000000 you will have to chip in a i9300 or n7100 mobile phone motherboard, and then use the sd card and coal. Wait for about 1 2 minutes, the chip will resurrect! Emmc name will become VTU00M

Thankyou but this is the last possibility.

For the customer, it is very important to recover the data, not the phone.
If i repair the bootloader, then i have to reload the firmware so i lose the data..

i should try first to read the emmc, then i can play with the bootloader

laptopmd · 04-29-2014, 10:16

Nothing :-(

Even by building a new interface with 3.3v and pull-up resistors as suggested by Advance-Box, the emmC it is still detected by atf, but then it is impossible to read.

The loop "retries" continue ad infinite. I suspect sectors badly damaged on emmc.
I abandon

galismobil · 04-29-2014, 10:24

I buy new adapter and try with Samsung s3 emmc direct desolder from board, and i have scan result. Next day i try again with another two and same and always same error "ERROR: EMMC WAS NOT Detected! 0x01
Check your Test Point Soldering". What is wrong?
BR

laptopmd · 04-29-2014, 10:34

Well.. of course check your soldering if good (check for continuity).

Which adapter you have ? i hope NOT GPG 5in1, it is crap ! it is completely wrong for this box. (i have it)

galismobil · 04-29-2014, 10:41

No gpg, onyx adapter i solder like first time, include vddf and vdf, when worked and next day same chip have problem and another two also. I don`t know what is problem, I have ATF Nitro also brand new.
BR

Advance-Box · 04-29-2014, 11:19

Hi,

You should also consider that Samsung eMMC sometimes go into "self-destruct" mode... Which means even if your soldering is 101% perfect, you will still not be able to detect the "dead" eMMC.

There is a new adapter from SmartGsm team which has the built-in 100 ohms pull up to 3.3v. I have tested it with eMMCs on PCB of Xiaomi, Samsung, Nokia X, Lumias, HTC and LG Google phone and it was always working well even when I am using 10 inches long wires.

You should get similar results when using 100 ohms pull-up to Vcc.

galismobil · 04-29-2014, 12:04

"Originally Posted by laptopmd View Post
I have another eMMC with the same symptom as the nokia eMMC.
This one comes from an i9300. Apparently dead..

I have soldered the chip following the schematics, put 2.8v on VDDF and 1.8v on VDD.

By selecting "Scan Emmc" i got this results :

Code:
================================================== ====
================================================== ====
eMMC Test Point Connection Module
================================================== ====
================================================== ====

1. DO NOT USE THE PHONE"S BATTERY
2. Connect the Soldered TP Connections to ATF Box
3. Disconnect the USB Cable and Wait until the
the ATF Software will tell you to Connect the USB.

CID : 1501003030303030305620110726
CSD : 902701320F5903FFF6DBFFEF8A404023

eMMC Boot Information
Revision 1.5 (for MMC v4.41)
BOOT PARTITION : NOT BOOT ENABLED
PARTITION ACCESS : R/W USER PARTITION
PERM_BOOT_CFG_PROT : DISABLED
PWR_BOOT_CFG_PROT : DISABLED
eMMC FirmW UPDATE : DISABLED
EMMC CACHE SIZE : 0 KB
SUPER PAGE SIZE : 4096 KB
HC ERASE GROUP SIZE: 512 KB
USER AREA SIZE : 17179869184 BYTES
BOOT PARTITION SIZE: 512 KB
RPMB PARTITION SIZE: 128 KB

eMMC Device Information
Manufacturer ID: SAMSUNG
Device Type : Embedded BGA
Application ID : 00
Product Name : 000000
Product Rev : 5.6
Product SN : 20110726
Manufactured : January 2005

Card Specific Data
CSD_STRUCTURE : Version 1.2
SPEC_VERS : Version 4.1/4.2/4.3
TAAC : 13 ns
TRANS_SPEED : 4000000 KHz
READ_BL_LEN : 512 Bytes
C_SIZE : HIGH CAPACITY
WP_GRP_ENABLE : YES
WRITE_BL_LEN : 512 Bytes
CONTENT_PROT_APP : NO
PERM_WRITE_PROTECT: NO
TMP_WRITE_PROTECT : NO

Extended CSD Saved:
1501003030303030305620110726_BD9F6C12.ext_csd
Backup Directory:
C:\AdvanceBox Turbo Flasher\eMMC\EXT_CSD\
It looks like the eMMC is working, but after pressing Read eMMC, it start with a loop of infinite retry, and it does not read anything from the chip.

On ATF Software i have selected 2.8v , 7.5Mhz (also tried 15, 3.75) and 16GB,"

I have same problem like this tomorrow nothing only error.
BR

Advance-Box · 04-30-2014, 02:17

Hi,

Product Name: 00000000

Means eMMC is damaged and you cannot read/write to it.

So it also means your connection is 100% OK... but the eMMC is not OK.

So just to be clear... You cannot read anything from this emmc at all.

B.R.

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04-22-2014, 10:20	#2 (permalink)
laptopmd Freak Poster Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Switzerland Age: 48 Posts: 408 Member: 1873863 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 67	Just for info : My interface power the chip with 2.8V and 1.8V , wires soldered directly on chip, chip NOT on board, and i have not placed pullup resistors.

04-25-2014, 08:44	#3 (permalink)
laptopmd Freak Poster Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Switzerland Age: 48 Posts: 408 Member: 1873863 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 67	up.. Some suggestion from ATF Support ? Thanks

04-25-2014, 08:53	#4 (permalink)
Advance-Box No Life Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,598 Member: 651945 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 20,118	@laptopmd In my experience: 1. Use 3.30v on VccQ and Vcc 2. Use PULL-UP 100 ohms on CMD and DATA 3. On ATF Software, Select 3.30v All my test eMMC Chips are detected by step 1-2-3. Tested on: Samsung, San.Disk, Toshiba, Hynix, Micron Which were placed inside my eMMC Socket adapter. If eMMC is still on Phone PCB, then use 2.80v instead of 3.30v and put 2.80v on ATF software as well. If not stable, then move up to 3.30v on both your external power and on ATF software. The pull up resistor is important and it makes it more stable for read/write operations. B.R.

04-25-2014, 09:25	#5 (permalink)
laptopmd Freak Poster Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Switzerland Age: 48 Posts: 408 Member: 1873863 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 67	Thank you Advance-Box ! Nope, emmc is not on the board. I have tried before, but it was even not detected by atf (connected with 3.3V and pullup resistors). Then i have removed emmc from the board, and soldered wires directly to it, and then checked for continuity, and lowered voltage to 2.8v and 1.8v from IC regulators (i was scared to burn the chip). At this point ATF recognized the chip, but not read the content. I will try your suggestion, thank you very much !

04-25-2014, 16:41	#6 (permalink)
电源ic Freak Poster Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: CHINA Zhuhai Age: 40 Posts: 229 Member: 760531 Status: Offline Sonork: [email protected] Thanks Meter: 58	Emmc name 000000 you will have to chip in a i9300 or n7100 mobile phone motherboard, and then use the sd card and coal. Wait for about 1 2 minutes, the chip will resurrect! Emmc name will become VTU00M

04-29-2014, 10:16	#8 (permalink)
laptopmd Freak Poster Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Switzerland Age: 48 Posts: 408 Member: 1873863 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 67	Nothing :-( Even by building a new interface with 3.3v and pull-up resistors as suggested by Advance-Box, the emmC it is still detected by atf, but then it is impossible to read. The loop "retries" continue ad infinite. I suspect sectors badly damaged on emmc. I abandon

04-29-2014, 10:24	#9 (permalink)
galismobil Freak Poster Join Date: Apr 2008 Age: 53 Posts: 134 Member: 750751 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 9	I buy new adapter and try with Samsung s3 emmc direct desolder from board, and i have scan result. Next day i try again with another two and same and always same error "ERROR: EMMC WAS NOT Detected! 0x01 Check your Test Point Soldering". What is wrong? BR

04-29-2014, 10:34	#10 (permalink)
laptopmd Freak Poster Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Switzerland Age: 48 Posts: 408 Member: 1873863 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 67	Well.. of course check your soldering if good (check for continuity). Which adapter you have ? i hope NOT GPG 5in1, it is crap ! it is completely wrong for this box. (i have it)

04-29-2014, 10:41	#11 (permalink)
galismobil Freak Poster Join Date: Apr 2008 Age: 53 Posts: 134 Member: 750751 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 9	No gpg, onyx adapter i solder like first time, include vddf and vdf, when worked and next day same chip have problem and another two also. I don`t know what is problem, I have ATF Nitro also brand new. BR

04-29-2014, 11:19	#12 (permalink)
Advance-Box No Life Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,598 Member: 651945 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 20,118	Hi, You should also consider that Samsung eMMC sometimes go into "self-destruct" mode... Which means even if your soldering is 101% perfect, you will still not be able to detect the "dead" eMMC. There is a new adapter from SmartGsm team which has the built-in 100 ohms pull up to 3.3v. I have tested it with eMMCs on PCB of Xiaomi, Samsung, Nokia X, Lumias, HTC and LG Google phone and it was always working well even when I am using 10 inches long wires. You should get similar results when using 100 ohms pull-up to Vcc.

04-29-2014, 12:04	#13 (permalink)
galismobil Freak Poster Join Date: Apr 2008 Age: 53 Posts: 134 Member: 750751 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 9	"Originally Posted by laptopmd View Post I have another eMMC with the same symptom as the nokia eMMC. This one comes from an i9300. Apparently dead.. I have soldered the chip following the schematics, put 2.8v on VDDF and 1.8v on VDD. By selecting "Scan Emmc" i got this results : Code: ================================================== ==== ================================================== ==== eMMC Test Point Connection Module ================================================== ==== ================================================== ==== 1. DO NOT USE THE PHONE"S BATTERY 2. Connect the Soldered TP Connections to ATF Box 3. Disconnect the USB Cable and Wait until the the ATF Software will tell you to Connect the USB. CID : 1501003030303030305620110726 CSD : 902701320F5903FFF6DBFFEF8A404023 eMMC Boot Information Revision 1.5 (for MMC v4.41) BOOT PARTITION : NOT BOOT ENABLED PARTITION ACCESS : R/W USER PARTITION PERM_BOOT_CFG_PROT : DISABLED PWR_BOOT_CFG_PROT : DISABLED eMMC FirmW UPDATE : DISABLED EMMC CACHE SIZE : 0 KB SUPER PAGE SIZE : 4096 KB HC ERASE GROUP SIZE: 512 KB USER AREA SIZE : 17179869184 BYTES BOOT PARTITION SIZE: 512 KB RPMB PARTITION SIZE: 128 KB eMMC Device Information Manufacturer ID: SAMSUNG Device Type : Embedded BGA Application ID : 00 Product Name : 000000 Product Rev : 5.6 Product SN : 20110726 Manufactured : January 2005 Card Specific Data CSD_STRUCTURE : Version 1.2 SPEC_VERS : Version 4.1/4.2/4.3 TAAC : 13 ns TRANS_SPEED : 4000000 KHz READ_BL_LEN : 512 Bytes C_SIZE : HIGH CAPACITY WP_GRP_ENABLE : YES WRITE_BL_LEN : 512 Bytes CONTENT_PROT_APP : NO PERM_WRITE_PROTECT: NO TMP_WRITE_PROTECT : NO Extended CSD Saved: 1501003030303030305620110726_BD9F6C12.ext_csd Backup Directory: C:\AdvanceBox Turbo Flasher\eMMC\EXT_CSD\ It looks like the eMMC is working, but after pressing Read eMMC, it start with a loop of infinite retry, and it does not read anything from the chip. On ATF Software i have selected 2.8v , 7.5Mhz (also tried 15, 3.75) and 16GB," I have same problem like this tomorrow nothing only error. BR

04-30-2014, 02:17	#14 (permalink)
Advance-Box No Life Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,598 Member: 651945 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 20,118	Hi, Product Name: 00000000 Means eMMC is damaged and you cannot read/write to it. So it also means your connection is 100% OK... but the eMMC is not OK. So just to be clear... You cannot read anything from this emmc at all. B.R.