why most of the box teams use delphi? - GSM-Forum

Nicogalan · 09-28-2017, 18:49

its a big doubt I have since a long time....

why delphi??

pros? cons?

thanks

doctorsu · 09-28-2017, 19:42

my be hard to decompile

but in recent time all boxes with Delphi cracked by gsmcracking team

now Delphi is week

Nicogalan · 09-28-2017, 19:54

do you think it's because protection?

I hope Victor can give us his point of view

thanks

Rahul_Bhutani · 09-30-2017, 07:23

Its just own choosing i will say,cracking and such all not related to language,but delphi provide easy gui in a native if you compare to others and easy to learn.

platforms · 09-30-2017, 17:46

Source sharing started with Delphi, and these teams have been linked to each other in some way or the developers have had cross Friends.

Nicogalan · 10-01-2017, 04:51

ok, great, but nowadays...

do you still advise to use delphi??

or do you think it's better another one?

Nishith · 10-02-2017, 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicogalan

ok, great, but nowadays...

do you still advise to use Delphi??

or do you think it's better another one?

What do you think can replace the Delphi?

For native development, you have very fewer options.

It's not like only Delphi is used, C++ is also popular.

Protector and Cracking is a totally different thing. Not related to language/technology.

Nishith · 10-02-2017, 17:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicogalan

its a big doubt I have since a long time....

why delphi??

pros? cons?

thanks

According to me,
Few reasons like,

1. Expertise over the language over this much of use/experience.

2. Thousands/Millions of Lines Of Code needed to be transformed into another language if switching the technology.

3. Why change language/technology if everything is working perfectly in the current environment.

4. Reduces Productivity as sometimes new language can be confusing/takes time to learn.

and many more...

Nicogalan · 10-03-2017, 07:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ni****h

What do you think can replace the Delphi?

For native development, you have very fewer options.

It's not like only Delphi is used, C++ is also popular.

Protector and Cracking is a totally different thing. Not related to language/technology.

no, no, just wondering

I saw some .net apps, dont remember now....

but .net its too easy to reverse...

I will move to delphi then.

thanks so much

stabbinbaz · 10-06-2017, 08:19

i must admit i was always curious about this too, nice to have an explanation

**.:hack3r2k:.** · 10-12-2017, 16:41

It's because we all studied in schools Pascal so the next step was getting used with Delphi. Besides that, Delphi allows creating cool GUIs with minimal effort. I wouldnt say same about vc++ or some others. Also Dephi got developed pretty well in teh past years and already allows ios. android, mac apps creation with the same code base. Also it's cheap to get it licensed

...unless you preffer FreePascal

Also whatever "cracking" mentioned here has nothing to do with the language used to develop the program. In the end theres a compiler that reduces all the code lines to the same "old" opcodes.

And really some of the so called crackers these days should start get a book and read what a smart card is and what does and maybe understand after why you cant crack a program if theres a pretty good part of an "algo" part of code there.

Br

Desirat · 10-17-2017, 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by .:hack3r2k:.

...what a smart card is and what does and maybe understand after why you cant crack a program if theres a pretty good part of an "algo" part of code there.

Br

Go figure!

I always thought that it had a key that scrambled a (important) part of the program code! It can have both i guess but never thought that it may contain lines 4 to 12 on a 100 line code (example?), it may vary according to card capacity, is this right? The "part of an algo" may also vary when card firmware is updated, no?

Sorry for question but expanding more on the little idea i had about this!

Wish i had coding in school.... I wanted but was not available anymore... My friends that were a year in front of me had and did not wanted (they hated it) and i'd love to had those lessons!

mrinnocent02 · 10-19-2017, 03:01

its so hard to crack

thats my point of view .

teknospc · 10-22-2017, 16:39

Delphi is a stable programming tool, and can be run of any windows version, no matter if tou do for win xp etc. Have a great comunication for ports , of course C++ C# or another can be used, about security many teams can compress the critical files to protect ( encrypt) but the main program can run slow

**Victor** · 11-03-2017, 04:52

No matter what will use. Python, php, asm, Delphi, C, C++....

Dejan (R.I.P. man...) prefer to use x86 asm... I prefer Delphi and C and asm...

Important is to make app who will do job!

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Nicogalan Freak Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 431 Member: 331917 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 214	why most of the box teams use delphi? its a big doubt I have since a long time.... why delphi?? pros? cons? thanks

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Victor Moderator Join Date: May 1999 Location: Blagoevgrad, Bulgaria Age: 52 Posts: 1,056 Member: 73 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 537	No matter what will use. Python, php, asm, Delphi, C, C++.... Dejan (R.I.P. man...) prefer to use x86 asm... I prefer Delphi and C and asm... Important is to make app who will do job! __________________ You'll die as you lived in a flash of the blade, in a corner forgotten by no one You lived for the touch for the feel of the steel One man, and his honor.

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doctorsu Insane Poster Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 95 Member: 2674769 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 17	my be hard to decompile but in recent time all boxes with Delphi cracked by gsmcracking team now Delphi is week

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Nicogalan Freak Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 431 Member: 331917 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 214	do you think it's because protection? I hope Victor can give us his point of view thanks

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Rahul_Bhutani No Life Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: India Age: 31 Posts: 7,456 Member: 1713856 Status: Offline Sonork: Uninstalled Thanks Meter: 4,500	Its just own choosing i will say,cracking and such all not related to language,but delphi provide easy gui in a native if you compare to others and easy to learn.

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platforms No Life Poster Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: London Age: 43 Posts: 520 Member: 83090 Status: Offline Sonork: 1626857 Thanks Meter: 52	Source sharing started with Delphi, and these teams have been linked to each other in some way or the developers have had cross Friends.

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Nicogalan Freak Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 431 Member: 331917 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 214	ok, great, but nowadays... do you still advise to use delphi?? or do you think it's better another one?

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stabbinbaz Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 212 Member: 1822958 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 45	i must admit i was always curious about this too, nice to have an explanation

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.:hack3r2k:. Product Manager Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FuriouSTeaM Posts: 53,978 Member: 15022 Status: Offline Sonork: 100.53452 Thanks Meter: 61,567	It's because we all studied in schools Pascal so the next step was getting used with Delphi. Besides that, Delphi allows creating cool GUIs with minimal effort. I wouldnt say same about vc++ or some others. Also Dephi got developed pretty well in teh past years and already allows ios. android, mac apps creation with the same code base. Also it's cheap to get it licensed ...unless you preffer FreePascal Also whatever "cracking" mentioned here has nothing to do with the language used to develop the program. In the end theres a compiler that reduces all the code lines to the same "old" opcodes. And really some of the so called crackers these days should start get a book and read what a smart card is and what does and maybe understand after why you cant crack a program if theres a pretty good part of an "algo" part of code there. Br

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mrinnocent02 Freak Poster Join Date: May 2013 Location: United States Posts: 102 Member: 1939538 Status: Offline Sonork: mrinnocent02 Thanks Meter: 47	its so hard to crack thats my point of view .

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teknospc No Life Poster Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 869 Member: 852415 Status: Offline Sonork: 1606874 Thanks Meter: 218	Delphi is a stable programming tool, and can be run of any windows version, no matter if tou do for win xp etc. Have a great comunication for ports , of course C++ C# or another can be used, about security many teams can compress the critical files to protect ( encrypt) but the main program can run slow