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Old 11-23-2002, 15:13   #22 (permalink)
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Hi,

Well nab, to continue with your hobby with 100 % legal way, seems
you have only 2 choices:

1. Apply for Authorised Nokia Service center. You will get all
legal approval from Nokia, you can get best support and downloads.
Few bad points though:
a. Maybe you have to sell your house to
cover all expences needed to meet their requirements.
b. Maybe you still have to do illegal things - like claiming
guarantee repairs on non existing phones or similar tricks in order
to servive( like a lot of people do)

2. Buy Neelix and as er2000 said, he found some clever way to
go around this so probably you won't have any legal
problems.

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About how legal is the companies to lock their phones.

Let's put it simple. The organization regulating consumer - manifacturer/retailer relationships is called Trading Standarts.

By one of they rules you can't sell something with False advertisment on the packaging of the product.

So let's imagine the next scenario:

Assume you are ordinary guy ( customer ), not specialist in electronics. So you have heard from friends or watch on a TV
about the very nice new phone from Nokia - 6610.

The same time you know about 3 - 4 more phones that are very
nice too - Ericsson, Panasonic and so on...

But you decide to check it out - so where you are going to go,
this is Nokia phone you don't go to Nike website, you go to
visit www.nokia.com.

After litle search you can read this on the first line of the phone
features:

"Phone Features

Tri-band world phone - works in three networks on five continents "

(http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,5184,789,00.html)

So next day you go to the local CPW and make you contract and
got your nice handset.

Well lets think what make us to buy ? Packaging yes !
It is simple when you go there and see the nice box with a smell
of factory and the nice phone inside, that's it , you're
done

So you go home charge your phone and start using it and what
happend when you decide to use your phone on 3 networks or five continents ?

Did they warn you before you pay that they sell you a faulty handsets ? Did you buy this phone becuase of the adverts on the
TV and Internet and because of the nice features it has ?

So everything they do is in breach of Trading Standarts rules.

I think selling locked handsets will be legal only if the companies
put a big sticker on the boxes and in they catalogues:

"PLEASE NOTE: THIS PRODUCT IS NOT THE ADVERTISED ON THE
TV AND IS SOLD IN FAULTY CONDITION. ALTHOUGH THERE IS NO
PROBLEM FOR YOU TO USE IT ON OUR NETWORK WITH LIMITED
FEATURES"

And if you think this is too hard lets assume second scenario:

You are very good engineer and have mobile phone shop.
You decide to sell a phone to the shop customers below cost, just
to fix your balance or whatever. The only way to do it by removing some parts of the phone and selling them separate.

So you decide to take off the BT module because no one need that anyway. You can cover the loss of sales by using the BT
modules in the phones you have for repair and still make profit.

So what will happen when the customer bring the phone he
bought from you to another place to check it out. What will
happen when Trading Standarts come to check you out ?

I think everyone knows the answer.

Do you feel both scenarios are close ?

And why you small business owner can't do this, but big businesses can pull it off with such a scam ?


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