Do you like so much the word Free? then free for all..

[Fernandowap]

bank account

Cyclone $$000.000
JAF-box $$000.000
UB-box $$000.000
MT-box $$000.000

MX-KEY $$600.000 and still increasing

[gsmtime]

Well it depends on the place where you were located. If places are flooded with unlockers and mobile phone service repair shops, then you can possibly attract customers with your free unlocking services. In the place where Im located I still give considerable good price for customers because we are 3 or 2 service repair shop around this country. I can give charges for BB bold 9000 around $200. And they are happy as long as their phone can be unlocked and can be used here in our place.

[pipip]

thanks to all who have taught me, economic, political, humanitarian........................

[MANOLE]

Originally Posted by Brka

actually ... you calculated wrong.

lets count this way ...
- make 3000 boxes .... retail price 150 euros, 3000 x 150 = 450000 euros,
apply on it credits ... 100 credits = 100 euros,
lets say 30% of users will need it, and MUST pay additional 100 euros,
for producer it's + 90000 euro,
in complete ... 450000 + 90000 = 540000 euros ....

and let's say... thats the limit of customers, that this box can reach .


now ...

let's compare it with much cheaper box ... which is 60$ = 40 euros.
producer make 15000 pcs .... why 15000 pcs ?
because with that low price ... every single person
can afford to buy it .... maybe that number will be more than 15000,
lets's say ... 20000 pcs ... and will grow ...
for 15000 x 40 = 600000 euros ....
for 20000 x 30 = 800000 euros ...
which at the end make even more money for producer, more
than the box we first mentioned.

so ... that's one more reason, why you can read on forum
so MANY users support cheap and yet powerfull, can say, the best
dongle at this moment.
because it REACHED the WHOLE market,
because it offers unbeatable things for that amount of money.

p.s. nothing personal in this whole thread from my side,
just watch the things from economical / marketing side.


b.r.
Alex.

Some mistake from your side:
20000 x 30 = 600.000 EUR and not 800.000 EUR

But for your info, real calculations go something like this:
50.000 x 25 = ???????
100.000 x 25 = ???????

Seems you are the only real observer from this thread, who can use his mind and his head for more than protecting his throat against rain (how do some people like "recycled supporter" here, who wants to work for free).

[Brka]

Originally Posted by MANOLE

Some mistake from your side:
20000 x 30 = 600.000 EUR and not 800.000 EUR

But for your info, real calculations go something like this:
50.000 x 25 = ???????
100.000 x 25 = ???????

Seems you are the only real observer from this thread, who can use his mind and his head for more than protecting his throat against rain (how do some people like "recycled supporter" here, who wants to work for free).

naah ... was late night and brain felt asleep, mathemetics dont work well late night

yep ... i've been too long here as active member ...
and also can see the economiocal side of some business.
was one of first who used Zulea's ericsson 337,338 etc software,
later alcatel software ...Terminator, DIV dongles ... were good times.
actually nobody can remeber that, how the lot of money was made,
regular young forum mebers just post their posts to keep the counter up,
nothing clever in their posts ... no brain used ... blahh.

thanx for your attention.

Originally Posted by moulnisky

I do watch.. and you see my side.
I've an office which costs me money for the rent, I've a proper VAT registration, I pay my tax.. which means about 50% of my takings go to the taxman.. you unock it for 5 euros and put 5 euros in your pocket.. if I sell the same service for 5 euros I put 2.5 euros in my pocket and with this I shoul pay as well my rent (not my home rent), electric, heating and so go on...
Actually for that amount is not worth for me doing the job so why don't do it for free? at least I make charity..
For who says the customers can't afford to pay 20 euros for an unlock I say: How can they afford to spend 200 euro for a mobile then? question of status symbol as been told? I don't carew about the status symbol.. I can make for free to an old person a nokia 3310 or a 2630 and realize easily they can't really afford the unlock but why I must give my service for close to nothing to a young boy with a brand new car on his expensive mobile?
The same lad won't have any problem to spend on saturday night 100 pounds in the pub just for fun.

Just my 2 cents

Alex

i agree on that ... but let me tell you ...
i started my job in 1998. After 2 years ... i opened service ...
and did just what you do now ... shortly, less than a year ...
i understood some things .... GSM is underground business,
from the beginning it WAS and still it IS.
Shortly ... in less than a year, i closed the public service ...
and got back underground. Believe me ... it's the old rule,
always making more money this way. I really never wanted,
nor i want NOW to be the sponsor to some fat bastards,
which drive their asses in brand new Audi's A8,
which kills the people with taxes, VAT's and other sh1t.

i dont say that disObeying the law is good ..
but that's a must for some of us.

b.r.
ALex

[moulnisky]

Originally Posted by Brka

i agree on that ... but let me tell you ...
i started my job in 1998. After 2 years ... i opened service ...
and did just what you do now ... shortly, less than a year ...
i understood some things .... GSM is underground business,
from the beginning it WAS and still it IS.
Shortly ... in less than a year, i closed the public service ...
and got back underground. Believe me ... it's the old rule,
always making more money this way. I really never wanted,
nor i want NOW to be the sponsor to some fat bastards,
which drive their asses in brand new Audi's A8,
which kills the people with taxes, VAT's and other sh1t.

i dont say that disObeying the law is good ..
but that's a must for some of us.

b.r.
ALex

I follow the rules always, been and always will be my only mode to move.
Not to tell you are doing wrong but I like act under the sunshine and standing tall.
It costs but you have less weackness.
As I said the unlocking is only a little part of my business so doesn't matter too much for me loosing its profits and as well how is for you I've not many concurrents around to be affected by the price war (Up to today all the nokia I did been paid 15gbp each).
The problem is the global market which is loosing professionality and for who made of this sector his only job the life is going to be, day after day, harder and harder.

BR

Alex

[Brka]

Originally Posted by moulnisky

I follow the rules always, been and always will be my only mode to move.
Not to tell you are doing wrong but I like act under the sunshine and standing tall.
It costs but you have less weackness.
As I said the unlocking is only a little part of my business so doesn't matter too much for me loosing its profits and as well how is for you I've not many concurrents around to be affected by the price war (Up to today all the nokia I did been paid 15gbp each).
The problem is the global market which is loosing professionality and for who made of this sector his only job the life is going to be, day after day, harder and harder.

BR

Alex

i agree on that.
and as i said ... most of the money is service itself.
no ... i didnt drop the prices too low,
but living in economicaly weak country, like mine,
and living in UK ... well ... much different.
about profesionality ... that thing is lost a long time ago ...
i still cant imagine some kids unlocking phones ... can you ?
but thats reality.

b.r.
Alex

[Uvedovle]

I think gsm market is moving, far away to get low; our bussines is changing since gsm solutions are affordable to any begger. Changes aren´t bad, they are part of the bussines, thats all.

In every kind of job exist "sundayunlocker", so let your skills be your weapon.

Don´t you think this is the same history of every year?


@BRK

When i started unlocking and playing with pics max232 and all old stuff i was 16 (i had to go to one friend house to connect to internet at 19000bps); what do you think about new kids, new computers, and new internet?

Im pretty sure many kids with 15 years old can find where and how unlock any phone in shor time, this took us 10 years ago probably 10x times.





The strange should be kids where dumber.


Wbr

[Brka]

Originally Posted by Uvedovle

I think gsm market is moving, far away to get low; our bussines is changing since gsm solutions are affordable to any begger. Changes aren´t bad, they are part of the bussines, thats all.

In every kind of job exist "sundayunlocker", so let your skills be your weapon.

Don´t you think this is the same history of every year?


@BRK

When i started unlocking and playing with pics max232 and all old stuff i was 16 (i had to go to one friend house to connect to internet at 19000bps); what do you think about new kids, new computers, and new internet?

Im pretty sure many kids with 15 years old can find where and how unlock any phone in shor time, this took us 10 years ago probably 10x times.





The strange should be kids where dumber.


Wbr

yah, generally ... nowday kids should be smarter, actually they are dumber.
with just one difference ...
now they have google, which can find everything for them

yes ... you were 16 ... but you were interested in this job,
not because you wanted to become a millionare,
but to learn something, i think that also changed to nowdays kids,
they're jsut interested in money ... not in increasing their IQ.

sure ... our skills are our advantage


GREETZ to the OLD GSM-Elite ! Salut !

b.r.
ALex.

[rogerboogie]

Originally Posted by Fernandowap

bank account

Cyclone $$000.000
JAF-box $$000.000
UB-box $$000.000
MT-box $$000.000

MX-KEY $$600.000 and still increasing

hi i think this is just a trick to get all posible *******rs with mxkey think about it and when happends remember this post

1.- mx key its a really good tool but depends in 2 ways of

old harware ( jaf, ufs , and only dct4 mtbox )

2.-almost important features like rpl calculation, bb unlock, sd repair ITS SERVER BASED !!!!

when server is offline, bye bye magic from mxkey

i think his will be happend

when all nokia box release the new flashe interface based on fps21 this will be the begining of the real chalenge

maybe mx key offers afordable prices for *******rs who got mxkey on past on the new interface price but , no all will be free

next updates will require $$$$$

,----------------------------------

another history comes with mt-box , genie, ub box and maybe....

advance box will launch new interface ( beta testing right now )
mt box , sure its doing the same thing but its keep quiet, same as genie

i think sl3 plataform requires new interfaces to be unlocked just like bb5 at the begining, or this is just a part of the game of the ( new hashes , and little tricks )


its just a simple point of view of the future of nokia market

dont worry about the actual situation be warned to the next move

br

roger

[digitized]

@brka

really these guide lines intersting and and i am impressed by ur guidelines ...because am doing hardware reparing more than unlocking ....

its true that a non exprince man or any child can do unlock by just searching on google or by buying cheap tool like mx key.. but he cant do hardware ..because it need expirence to do that ...iknw u got my point

i am in this job from last 7 years and iam walking on these guide lines u mentioned above ...and iam happy wit that there are some good undestanding people on this forum which observe the nerve of time ,.....

thanks for that and ur good guide lines for new bei like me ...i am a new bei as u have more experince than me ....

br,

preet

Originally Posted by Brka

i'm tired of listening stupidities all the time, also wrote here dozen of times ...

1. customers always ask CHEAP ... you cant afford CHEAP with expensive tools and boxes
2. are you a sunday unlocker and the only thing you know is to press the button ? well ... that stupidity know to do also 7 years old kid
3. what else do you have to offer to your customers ? do you know to repair phones ? chage flat cables, change displays ... do really hard repairs ?
4. do you have established series of customers ? if so ... no problemo

i simply dont understand people crying ... and those bullsh1t stories about
price droppers bla bla bla ...
that existed from beginning but seems like many people are too short in this business to know it.


newbie guidelines of gsm business :

- buy CHEAP stuff ... to repay it quickly ... ie. Nokia market - mxKey ...
and dont KILL customers with 20 euros per 9DDB phones ... instead ... make
price of some 5-7-10 euros .... thats reasonable price

- NEVER buy expensive boxes (more than 100-130 euros) or even worse ...
some LARGE quantity of LOGS ... especially if there is more than one box that is able to do the same thing, fresh example is CrapBERRY ...
it was so obvious that it will happen what happened ...
in short period of time many boxes added it as activarion,
was well known that it's simple to make or copy/paste

- OFFER more services to customers ... quality harware repairs,
also with acceptable prices, dont KILL the customers with prices

- stay TUNED ... you must get into the GSM market ...
must watch every day or every few days, whats new, whats going on,
what will make profit, what will be free, etc.

what is yet investable :
- mxKey ... currently
- SETool credists / setool box
- Blang's samsung box z3x (samsung, LG, etc.)
and nothing else really important.

Before i started writing,
just unlocked some 10pcs nokias 1209 ... with cheap hwk 8 years old + mxkey ..
and right in this moment just flashing 6700 with cracked Phoenix ...

i hope readers got my point ...

b.r.
Alex

Originally Posted by Brka

there are many many aspects of good or bad ...

BAD is that with every update ... security on phones gets better and beter,
BAD is that with free add-on prices of unlock becomes lower and lower
BAD is that kids can afford 60$ and buy mxKey

but ...

GOOD is that customers will be able to PAY some lower amount for unlocking such phones (which they didnt wanty to pay before)
GOOD is that ... i dont care if it's free, because i mostly do hardware repairs,
and that is the TRUE MONEY ...
GOOD is that kids cant do hardware repairs, because of LACK OF experience


sure, i agree that updates should be paid, but reasonable price,
and no ripping off ...
well ... think for yourself ... would you pay 15-20 euros for SD REPAIR on 3110c ?

i am talking also about politics of some teams ...
why we MUST buy 100 logs for some box and never use all of it ?

good example of smart politics is SETool ... you can buy 30 logs ...
for 60$ ... thats affordable

bad politics is some nokia box teams ... 100 logs ... come on ... idiotism,
why would i be sponsor to some greedy suckerz ...

nobody sit down and think how to make product affordable,
and that also means popular ... affordable ... best seller ...

moral of the story is ... world crysis ... no money ...
everything must go cheap ...
chinese people understood long time ago,
money making is on big QUANTITY and LOW price,
not on small quantity and high price ...

b.r.
Alex

[GSMman187]

Originally Posted by nevercan

Did we lose the orignal topic somewhere?. Or is older timers story thread

hehe lol

seems so................

though it was a good idea..

[Brka]

Originally Posted by digitized

@brka

really these guide lines intersting and and i am impressed by ur guidelines ...because am doing hardware reparing more than unlocking ....

its true that a non exprince man or any child can do unlock by just searching on google or by buying cheap tool like mx key.. but he cant do hardware ..because it need expirence to do that ...iknw u got my point

i am in this job from last 7 years and iam walking on these guide lines u mentioned above ...and iam happy wit that there are some good undestanding people on this forum which observe the nerve of time ,.....

thanks for that and ur good guide lines for new bei like me ...i am a new bei as u have more experince than me ....

br,

preet

hi there, i'm glad somebody understand the whole thing
(sure there are more people, but they just watch and dont post anything)
well ... look around ... go into LG section ...
you will find FREE qualcomm unlocker supporting many models,
then .. KP10x and GB102 free unlock ... KS360 unlock .. free ...
in sonyericsson section .. AERIX ... supporting many CID52 DB30xx series,
older models also free on other tools ...
samsung is still holding ..
nokia ... except 9ddb and some newer models ... all free ...
iPhone ... free from beginning.
so ... there is the answer.

luckily ... our skills are our advantages.
kids dont do hardware

and... with 7 years experience... you are defintaly NOT noob.

b.r.
ALex

[mojee]

free and fee both runs together, if you don't have fee then you may be unable to use free.

[toptech]

Originally Posted by mojee

free and fee both runs together, if you don't have fee then you may be unable to use free.

experience is the best teacher and am not worried about the current situation and state of affairs in gsm industry.i have UB,CYCLONE,MX-KEY,JAF AND HWK.i have learnt to be prepared for the worst or what we call the worst case scenario.so i decided to have all and whoever provides the best service,provides a first or the cheapest then i would run along with them that tym.so in this scenario i might be crying because of what mx-key did but if my competitors do n ot have it iam ok with it, but if they have it still its game on until when this holiday with mx-key is over.all iam saying is be prepared for anything in this industry.