To me this BB5 Box is a joke!

[eyestrain]

practice, practice, practice...what will you become?


the fun of unlocking depends on how hard the testpoint is
thats for me...

well, i think you better find another job as well

[ktele]

Originally Posted by The Dog

If your going to sell a box and it needs certain tools like the 'precision testpoint' models N73 and 6280 etc then why you selling the box with testpoint adaptors that are too thick to make the connection? It is ridiculous in my opinion as it is such a fine testpoint yet the adaptors cover at least two of the connectors! Why should anyone have to modify them? Why dont they design something for the job in hand? So far after two weeks of having this box I am no where near and have actually given up trying to unlock the finer testpoint phones such as 6280, N73 after breaking one N73 its just impossible! The connectors that come with the box are far too thick and the testpoint is so small you actually end up crushing them and damaging it so it dont switch on! If your going to sell a box at least make something so you can actually do the job relatively safely! And also it is obvious that I need a microscope and everyone needs a microscope. So why not make it clear that it is necessary not optional. Im just peeved off the testpoint adaptors are too big for the job, it is just taking the money and not offering anything! So BB5 Box team please concentrate in making adaptors for these models as a matter of urgency! Not everyone can modify things and to be honest I have tried to buy some needles from the chemist but they wont give me them without a prescription!! LUDICROUS!!

i think others missed your point. from engineering technical opinion, the final product should not be released until the quality is passed and thats the job of the quality engineer or the lead designer in charge of the product/hardware should have done, because they worked in team to design this BB5 box. Its simple, modify the product to the best quality applicable, and use a worst case scenario, then they would know, ok this should use thinner pins, etc..incase of using in a very confined space of TPs, etc., ok use the different colour for the data cable not in black to differentiate from other cable, something like, etc, and that would help end users. BB5 BOX is an useful finding, BUT there are constructive suggestions to consider to make this product improved its reputation and popularity in competing with other products, and the point this brother has commented is CORRECT and SENSIBLE!

I can give u a simple example:

If we design to make a very special ice cream to export before end of 2007, we must 100% check the ingredients to make that nothing rough in the final phase process will precipitate in the final mix before we pack to export, that will hurt the people's tongues when they lick the ice cream, unless if some people have big thick tongues tougher than Cow's tongues. If the final mix 100% tested, the people, from youngest to the oldest even very old people using hard bills will happily lick their ice creams and they will promote it to other importers.

hope u get HIS point, wish BB5 team will see the point and modify it.

happy new yr to all.

[twisterfan]

@Ktele

If BB5 box team should build something and test it thoroughly taking all sorts of scenarios into account and test it with every nokia model supported with every software version supported on every type of flash IC before they released this product it would not be available for another 6 months...

Please accept that in this industry you need to be VERY fast out with your product because otherwise you are not going to make money because :

1. The competitors WILL release fast.
2. The phones you will be supporting will be almost obsolete in 6 months and new models will have arrived.
3. They need the money from the sales to fund additional support for new models and software versions....(They need to BUY phones to get them to the lab so that they can make support for them.)

Please dont try to compare food product manufacture with non-food technical equipment that is primarily bought by skilled people that can make changes to the equipment themselves if needed.

If NOKIA had your attitude towards release of new products they would not have released Nokia N95 until this november because it was first at this month they released a software that would fit your standards. (SW 20)...

I dont mind getting something a bit "beta-release" because i get it fast and if it is harder to use and need modifications then it means that all the sunday unlockers are not likely to get one ... (With a few exceptions as seen in this thread....People that destroy phone after phone and blame the box)...

All i ask of the team is that they provide upgrades for the product and that they keep their promises when they make some..

Twisterfan

[eblaster101]

i agree the testpoint is thick for N73 but for 6280 i disagree its perfectly fine for 6280 as i have unlocked at least 50pieces no problem. This is the unlocking world if your not prepared to do a little DIY then you shouldn't really be doing this. Honestly all that time you spent witting your rant message could have been spent modifying your testpoint.

[simlock]

Originally Posted by The Dog

If your going to sell a box and it needs certain tools like the 'precision testpoint' models N73 and 6280 etc then why you selling the box with testpoint adaptors that are too thick to make the connection? It is ridiculous in my opinion as it is such a fine testpoint yet the adaptors cover at least two of the connectors! Why should anyone have to modify them? Why dont they design something for the job in hand? So far after two weeks of having this box I am no where near and have actually given up trying to unlock the finer testpoint phones such as 6280, N73 after breaking one N73 its just impossible! The connectors that come with the box are far too thick and the testpoint is so small you actually end up crushing them and damaging it so it dont switch on! If your going to sell a box at least make something so you can actually do the job relatively safely! And also it is obvious that I need a microscope and everyone needs a microscope. So why not make it clear that it is necessary not optional. Im just peeved off the testpoint adaptors are too big for the job, it is just taking the money and not offering anything! So BB5 Box team please concentrate in making adaptors for these models as a matter of urgency! Not everyone can modify things and to be honest I have tried to buy some needles from the chemist but they wont give me them without a prescription!! LUDICROUS!!

hi dog im supprised a no life poster like you with all that experiance is having a tough time doing jobs like this? i had no previous experiance with test point
or this box and have found using this box slightly anoying at times but it was the the first real cheap way of unlocking so im not complaing and admit iv killed 2 phones out of about 50 both 6280 s n73 s are hard to do and e65 s but i can now do them in and hour or less i use a dress making pin with the ball at the end for grip or bend the pin, filled down so thin that it slips under the the chip and touches the test point i use the clk just hold it against the pin then touch to test point its easy once you have mastered it the e65 in the same but bent the pin to manover it around the other componants on the board and i use the tornado micr scope not brilliant but you can get better software to show it on screen very clear wich makes it easyer but basicly your own way will be best, i love test point method i learned new skills and can charge decent price for unlocking i hope it stays this way for a long time cable would kill this market. know dought some one will do this soon!!! kill the market again thats the real joke then the boxes we buy become almost junk but served there purpose but thats unlockng for ya!!! test point dont worry me its next solution.

[simlock]

Originally Posted by twisterfan

@Ktele

If BB5 box team should build something and test it thoroughly taking all sorts of scenarios into account and test it with every nokia model supported with every software version supported on every type of flash IC before they released this product it would not be available for another 6 months...

Please accept that in this industry you need to be VERY fast out with your product because otherwise you are not going to make money because :

1. The competitors WILL release fast.
2. The phones you will be supporting will be almost obsolete in 6 months and new models will have arrived.
3. They need the money from the sales to fund additional support for new models and software versions....(They need to BUY phones to get them to the lab so that they can make support for them.)

Please dont try to compare food product manufacture with non-food technical equipment that is primarily bought by skilled people that can make changes to the equipment themselves if needed.

If NOKIA had your attitude towards release of new products they would not have released Nokia N95 until this november beca
use it was first at this month they released a software that would fit your standards. (SW 20)...

I dont mind getting something a bit "beta-release" because i get it fast and if it is harder to use and need modifications then it means that all the sunday unlockers are not likely to get one ... (With a few exceptions as seen in this thread....People that destroy phone after phone and blame the box)...

All i ask of the team is that they provide upgrades for the product and that they keep their promises when they make some..

Twisterfan

yes i totally agree with you

this is almost same as unlocking shop business

[simlock]

Originally Posted by eyestrain06

practice, practice, practice...what will you become?


the fun of unlocking depends on how hard the testpoint is
thats for me...

well, i think you better find another job as well

yes i agree with you i love unlocking it dosnt matter what it is i like the chalange and try to be the best and ur right practice makes perfect

[khalid2001]

Originally Posted by The Dog

If your going to sell a box and it needs certain tools like the 'precision testpoint' models N73 and 6280 etc then why you selling the box with testpoint adaptors that are too thick to make the connection? It is ridiculous in my opinion as it is such a fine testpoint yet the adaptors cover at least two of the connectors! Why should anyone have to modify them? Why dont they design something for the job in hand? So far after two weeks of having this box I am no where near and have actually given up trying to unlock the finer testpoint phones such as 6280, N73 after breaking one N73 its just impossible! The connectors that come with the box are far too thick and the testpoint is so small you actually end up crushing them and damaging it so it dont switch on! If your going to sell a box at least make something so you can actually do the job relatively safely! And also it is obvious that I need a microscope and everyone needs a microscope. So why not make it clear that it is necessary not optional. Im just peeved off the testpoint adaptors are too big for the job, it is just taking the money and not offering anything! So BB5 Box team please concentrate in making adaptors for these models as a matter of urgency! Not everyone can modify things and to be honest I have tried to buy some needles from the chemist but they wont give me them without a prescription!! LUDICROUS!!

hi dog to be really honest i'm not a skilled person.before bying bb5box i was afraid that would i be able to unlock these phones but thanks to bb5box i did many many many many n73,6280,6288,6233,6234,5200,5300,6300,7373,n95,31 10c etc.

[HaNiNi Gsm]

@dog
all model of bb5 ..and all model of chipset -atb atb spanion -are tested using bb5box by raskal..
i do more then 150 piece
without trouble..

[ktele]

Originally Posted by twisterfan

@Ktele

If BB5 box team should build something and test it thoroughly taking all sorts of scenarios into account and test it with every nokia model supported with every software version supported on every type of flash IC before they released this product it would not be available for another 6 months...

Please accept that in this industry you need to be VERY fast out with your product because otherwise you are not going to make money because :

1. The competitors WILL release fast.
2. The phones you will be supporting will be almost obsolete in 6 months and new models will have arrived.
3. They need the money from the sales to fund additional support for new models and software versions....(They need to BUY phones to get them to the lab so that they can make support for them.)

Please dont try to compare food product manufacture with non-food technical equipment that is primarily bought by skilled people that can make changes to the equipment themselves if needed.

If NOKIA had your attitude towards release of new products they would not have released Nokia N95 until this november because it was first at this month they released a software that would fit your standards. (SW 20)...

I dont mind getting something a bit "beta-release" because i get it fast and if it is harder to use and need modifications then it means that all the sunday unlockers are not likely to get one ... (With a few exceptions as seen in this thread....People that destroy phone after phone and blame the box)...

All i ask of the team is that they provide upgrades for the product and that they keep their promises when they make some..

Twisterfan

@Twisterfan

The QUALITY ASSURANCE of the product is the point i raised, and that principle is applicable in all sorts of designed products, including food and technical products, etc. At the end of the day, the Quality level of the Design always witnessed by the end-users of the product.

Anyway, thanks for revealing the important reasons behind this. I believe the customers/clients/end-users have the rights to comment on the product they purchased with their dollars. Perhaps and hopefully our views and comments may contribute to assist the team in future developments.

I respect and accept all facts and opinions and thanks for sharing.

cheers
ktele

[medis]

@Twisterfan

Well ALL said,but you know:you just loosing your time.
And you know why ...


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