Nokia Lumia 610 unlocked done by ATF JTAG - Page 5 - GSM-Forum

manzoor300 · 09-24-2014, 08:11

good wrok bor thanks ,,,,,,,,,,

hvalero2001 · 10-14-2014, 20:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by yasirjawed98

================================================== ========
Phone Type : Lumia 610 RM-835 - Supported
: Lumia 610 RM-849 - Supported
: Lumia 610C RM-836 - Supported
Unlock Type : Read PIN and PUK Unlock Codes
Other Notes : Disconnect USB Cable before Reading Codes
================================================== ========
1. Make sure JTAG Connection is 100% OK
2. Always Disconnect the Phone BATTERY
3. Connect RJ-45 JTAG Cable to ATF Box
4. Disconnect USB Cable from the Phone
5. DO NOT click RESET JTAG button
6. Click READ CODES button to Start Reading Unlock Codes
----------------------------------------------------------
Disconnect USB Cable from Phone (If Connected)
Re-Connect USB Cable to Phone...
Connect USB Cable to Phone...OK
USB Connected! Waiting for First Event...OK
Disconnect USB Cable Now...OK
Re-Connect USB Cable to Phone...
Waiting for Device Connection 10 second(s)...Timeout During Operation!Timeout During Operation!
Disconnect USB Cable from Phone (If Connected)
Re-Connect USB Cable to Phone...
Connect USB Cable to Phone...OK
USB Connected! Waiting for First Event...OK
Disconnect USB Cable Now...Timeout During Operation!
Disconnect USB Cable from Phone (If Connected)
Re-Connect USB Cable to Phone...
Connect USB Cable to Phone...OK
USB Connected! Waiting for First Event...OK
Disconnect USB Cable Now...OK
Re-Connect USB Cable to Phone...
Waiting for Device Connection 10 second(s)...Timeout During Operation!Timeout During Operation!

I have same problem. Any idea, pleases

habib121 · 10-17-2014, 13:12

Default language ID 0x0409
JTAG Interface Connected, S/N 0xA54139DF
Resetting and Exploring JTAG chain...No Devices found in Chain!
Loading AFP (Please Wait)...OK
AFP revision 4, compiled 11/26/2013 10:48:00 AM

================================================== ========
Phone Type : Lumia 610 RM-835 - Supported
: Lumia 610 RM-849 - Supported
: Lumia 610C RM-836 - Supported
Unlock Type : Read PIN and PUK Unlock Codes
Other Notes : Disconnect USB Cable before Reading Codes
================================================== ========
1. Make sure JTAG Connection is 100% OK
2. Always Disconnect the Phone BATTERY
3. Connect RJ-45 JTAG Cable to ATF Box
4. Disconnect USB Cable from the Phone
5. DO NOT click RESET JTAG button
6. Click READ CODES button to Start Reading Unlock Codes
----------------------------------------------------------
Disconnect USB Cable from Phone (If Connected)
Re-Connect USB Cable to Phone...
Connect USB Cable to Phone...OK
USB Connected! Waiting for First Event...OK
Disconnect USB Cable Now...OK
Re-Connect USB Cable to Phone...
Waiting for Device Connection 10 second(s)...OK
Resetting and Exploring JTAG chain...OK
Halting Core...OK
Initializing Device...OK
Retrieving Unlock Codes...OK
===================================
Service Provider Unlock Codes Found
===================================
Level 1 PIN: 22789377 ACTIVE
Level 1 PUK: 46351243 ACTIVE
Level 2 PIN: 84829846
Level 2 PUK: 37863096
Level 3 PIN: 67874406
Level 3 PUK: 72942425
Level 4 PIN: 44205602
Level 4 PUK: 08805684
Level 5 PIN: 13992041
Level 5 PUK: 38635144
===================================
Reading Unlock Codes Done!

================================================== ==========================
1. Remove JTAG Connection and Assemble Phone
2. Insert SIM Card from different Provider into the Phone
3. Power ON the Phone
4. Enter 8-digit PIN Code or 8-digit PUK Code when Phone Requires it
5. After Code is accepted, wait 30 seconds until Operator Signal Appears

Write Down 8-digit PIN CODE on a piece of paper and attach
it to the phone under the battery. This will allow the owner
of the phone to unlock this phone again if he will flash the
phone firmware in the future.
================================================== ==========================
Saving "..\Logs\Screenshots\2014-10-17_18-04-00.jpg"...OK

unlock967 · 10-29-2014, 12:11

1. Make sure JTAG Connection is 100% OK
2. DO NOT Connect a USB Cable to the phone
3. Connect RJ-45 JTAG Cable to ATF Box
4. Connect Phone BATTERY and POWER ON the Phone
5. Wait until WP7 OS is FULLY LOADED showing Main Menu
6. Check that Phone IMEI is valid via *#06#
7. If IMEI is valid, Click READ CODES button then wait...
----------------------------------------------------------
Resetting and Exploring JTAG chain...No Devices found in Chain!
Resetting and Exploring JTAG chain...No Devices found in Chain!
Resetting and Exploring JTAG chain...No Devices found in Chain!
Resetting and Exploring JTAG chain...1 Device(s)
Device #1 ID 0x106210E1 IR4
Resetting and Exploring JTAG chain...1 Device(s)
Device #1 ID 0x106210E1 IR4
Resetting and Exploring JTAG chain...1 Device(s)
Device #1 ID 0x106210E1 IR4
Initializing Connection
Connected 1 device(s)!
Halting Core...
Halted Device 0x106210E1
Searching for PIN/PUK Unlock Codes...
Please wait for a while...
Codes Found!
=========================
PIN LEVEL 1: 80425862 - LOCKED
PUK LEVEL 1: 65863224 - LOCKED
PIN LEVEL 2: 97025874
PUK LEVEL 2: 64115743
PIN LEVEL 3: 55385074
PUK LEVEL 3: 74932886
PIN LEVEL 4: 39273600
PUK LEVEL 4: 21896382
PIN LEVEL 5: 28567879
PUK LEVEL 5: 03409162
=========================
Reading Unlock Codes Done!
================================================== ==========================
1. Remove JTAG Connection and Assemble Phone
2. Insert SIM Card from different Provider into the Phone
3. Power ON the Phone
4. Enter 8-digit PIN Code or 8-digit PUK Code when Phone Requires it
5. After Code is accepted, wait 30 seconds until Operator Signal Appears
Write Down 8-digit PIN CODE on a piece of paper and attach
it to the phone under the battery. This will allow the owner
of the phone to unlock this phone again if he will flash the
phone firmware in the future.
================================================== ==========================
All Done!

maanarman · 11-12-2014, 16:16

Hafiz ArslanAli · 11-17-2014, 10:50

connections wires and every thing is ok but getting error..... phone not conected. why?????

Default language ID 0x0409, LR 12
JTAG Interface Connected, S/N 0x80000000
Resetting and Exploring JTAG chain...No Devices found in Chain!
Loading AFP (Please Wait)...OK
AFP revision 4, compiled 11/26/2013 10:48:00 AM

================================================== ========
Phone Type : Lumia 610 RM-835 - Supported
: Lumia 610 RM-849 - Supported
: Lumia 610C RM-836 - Supported
Unlock Type : Read PIN and PUK Unlock Codes
Other Notes : Disconnect USB Cable before Reading Codes
================================================== ========
1. Make sure JTAG Connection is 100% OK
2. Always Disconnect the Phone BATTERY
3. Connect RJ-45 JTAG Cable to ATF Box
4. Disconnect USB Cable from the Phone
5. DO NOT click RESET JTAG button
6. Click READ CODES button to Start Reading Unlock Codes
----------------------------------------------------------
Disconnect USB Cable from Phone (If Connected)
Re-Connect USB Cable to Phone...
Connect USB Cable to Phone...Timeout During Operation!

Hafiz ArslanAli · 11-18-2014, 16:47

Disconnect USB Cable from Phone (If Connected)
Re-Connect USB Cable to Phone...
Connect USB Cable to Phone...OK
USB Connected! Waiting for First Event...OK
Disconnect USB Cable Now...OK
Re-Connect USB Cable to Phone...
Waiting for Device Connection 10 second(s)...OK
Resetting and Exploring JTAG chain...OK
Halting Core...OK
Initializing Device...OK
Retrieving Unlock Codes...OK
===================================
Service Provider Unlock Codes Found
===================================
Level 1 PIN: 59297733
Level 1 PUK: 21975281
Level 2 PIN: 16654778
Level 2 PUK: 75742155
Level 3 PIN: 20530843
Level 3 PUK: 31154673
Level 4 PIN: 38709447
Level 4 PUK: 61122657
Level 5 PIN: 89885815
Level 5 PUK: 53087842
===================================
Reading Unlock Codes Done!

================================================== ==========================
1. Remove JTAG Connection and Assemble Phone
2. Insert SIM Card from different Provider into the Phone
3. Power ON the Phone
4. Enter 8-digit PIN Code or 8-digit PUK Code when Phone Requires it
5. After Code is accepted, wait 30 seconds until Operator Signal Appears

Write Down 8-digit PIN CODE on a piece of paper and attach
it to the phone under the battery. This will allow the owner
of the phone to unlock this phone again if he will flash the
phone firmware in the future.
================================================== ==========================

hicham11 · 12-24-2014, 13:07

----------------------------------------------------------
Disconnect USB Cable from Phone (If Connected)
Re-Connect USB Cable to Phone...
Connect USB Cable to Phone...OK
USB Connected! Waiting for First Event...OK
Disconnect USB Cable Now...OK
Re-Connect USB Cable to Phone...
Waiting for Device Connection 10 second(s)...OK
Resetting and Exploring JTAG chain...OK
Halting Core...OK
Initializing Device...OK
Retrieving Unlock Codes...OK
===================================
Service Provider Unlock Codes Found
===================================
Level 1 PIN: 20472065 ACTIVE
Level 1 PUK: 76662638 ACTIVE
Level 2 PIN: 92749678
Level 2 PUK: 65573807
Level 3 PIN: 23982871
Level 3 PUK: 01992669
Level 4 PIN: 44568892
Level 4 PUK: 44719717
Level 5 PIN: 73710320
Level 5 PUK: 45643501
===================================
Reading Unlock Codes Done!

================================================== ==========================

basharat7 · 03-20-2015, 19:02

this is called the professional work best man with very clean procedure awesome man *** bless u

f0ou4d · 04-24-2015, 18:34

nice procedure and very clean work

Muhammadsaqib11 · 09-10-2015, 14:49

Lumia 510 RM-889 Unlock Done By ATF Jtag

Feel The Power Of ATF Jtag

Br
GSM City

Safyan sufi · 10-06-2015, 13:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muhammadsaqib11

Lumia 510 RM-889 Unlock Done By ATF Jtag

Feel The Power Of ATF Jtag

Br
GSM City

Sir its nice work , please can you guide me how to make this cable , because i have a lot of cables but i did not find the same cable for this phone for Jtag.

soulgsm · 10-17-2015, 18:24

I have bought ATF GOld fully activated along with a nice Dolphin clip and wanted to ask : Is there a short or long term to unlock via JTag Lumia 520 ?

Hafiz ArslanAli · 11-03-2015, 09:00

Code:

ATF JTAG v1.0.15.8544 (6/17/2015)
Default language ID 0x0409, LR 14
JTAG Interface Connected, S/N 0x85255A22
Resetting and Exploring JTAG chain...No Devices found in Chain!
Loading AFP (Please Wait)...OK
AFP revision 4, compiled 7/8/2014 10:52:00 PM

 
==========================================================
 Phone Type  : Lumia 610  RM-835 - Supported
             : Lumia 610  RM-849 - Supported
             : Lumia 610C RM-836 - Supported
             : Lumia 510  RM-889 - Supported
             : Lumia 510  RM-898 - Supported
             : Lumia 505  RM-923 - Supported
 Unlock Type : Read PIN and PUK Unlock Codes
 Other Notes : Power On Phone before Reading Codes
==========================================================
1. Make sure JTAG Connection is 100% OK
2. DO NOT Connect a USB Cable to the phone
3. Connect RJ-45 JTAG Cable to ATF Box
4. Connect Phone BATTERY and POWER ON the Phone
5. Wait until WP7 OS is FULLY LOADED showing Main Menu
6. Check that Phone IMEI is valid via *#06#
7. If IMEI is valid, Click READ CODES button then wait...
----------------------------------------------------------


Initializing Connection
Connected 1 device(s)!
Halting Core...
Halted Device 0x106210E1
Searching for PIN/PUK Unlock Codes...
Please wait for a while...
Codes Found!


=========================
PIN LEVEL 1: 93999784 - LOCKED
PUK LEVEL 1: 90827310 - LOCKED
PIN LEVEL 2: 29130096
PUK LEVEL 2: 75142400
PIN LEVEL 3: 76202382
PUK LEVEL 3: 23761180
PIN LEVEL 4: 25126113
PUK LEVEL 4: 39157703
PIN LEVEL 5: 02655721
PUK LEVEL 5: 48340198
=========================


Reading Unlock Codes Done!
============================================================================
1. Remove JTAG Connection and Assemble Phone
2. Insert SIM Card from different Provider into the Phone
3. Power ON the Phone
4. Enter 8-digit PIN Code or 8-digit PUK Code when Phone Requires it
5. After Code is accepted, wait 30 seconds until Operator Signal Appears


        Write Down 8-digit  PIN CODE  on a piece of paper and attach
        it to the phone under the battery. This will allow the owner
        of the phone to unlock this phone again if he will flash the
        phone firmware in the future.
============================================================================
All Done!

allumts · 11-06-2015, 19:44

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Only one is enough, or you think that Spamming all Section reveive Speed answer?...you are out way totally.

BR

11-12-2014, 16:16	#65 (permalink)
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Muhammadsaqib11 No Life Poster Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: pakistan Posts: 2,281 Member: 1602407 Status: Offline Sonork: 100.1648061 Thanks Meter: 360	Lumia 510 RM-889 Unlock Done Lumia 510 RM-889 Unlock Done By ATF Jtag Feel The Power Of ATF Jtag Br GSM City

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10-17-2014, 13:12	#63 (permalink)
habib121 Freak Poster Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: bangladesh Posts: 206 Member: 2243030 Status: Offline Sonork: 1640811 Thanks Meter: 28	Default language ID 0x0409 JTAG Interface Connected, S/N 0xA54139DF Resetting and Exploring JTAG chain...No Devices found in Chain! Loading AFP (Please Wait)...OK AFP revision 4, compiled 11/26/2013 10:48:00 AM ================================================== ======== Phone Type : Lumia 610 RM-835 - Supported : Lumia 610 RM-849 - Supported : Lumia 610C RM-836 - Supported Unlock Type : Read PIN and PUK Unlock Codes Other Notes : Disconnect USB Cable before Reading Codes ================================================== ======== 1. Make sure JTAG Connection is 100% OK 2. Always Disconnect the Phone BATTERY 3. Connect RJ-45 JTAG Cable to ATF Box 4. Disconnect USB Cable from the Phone 5. DO NOT click RESET JTAG button 6. Click READ CODES button to Start Reading Unlock Codes ---------------------------------------------------------- Disconnect USB Cable from Phone (If Connected) Re-Connect USB Cable to Phone... Connect USB Cable to Phone...OK USB Connected! Waiting for First Event...OK Disconnect USB Cable Now...OK Re-Connect USB Cable to Phone... Waiting for Device Connection 10 second(s)...OK Resetting and Exploring JTAG chain...OK Halting Core...OK Initializing Device...OK Retrieving Unlock Codes...OK =================================== Service Provider Unlock Codes Found =================================== Level 1 PIN: 22789377 ACTIVE Level 1 PUK: 46351243 ACTIVE Level 2 PIN: 84829846 Level 2 PUK: 37863096 Level 3 PIN: 67874406 Level 3 PUK: 72942425 Level 4 PIN: 44205602 Level 4 PUK: 08805684 Level 5 PIN: 13992041 Level 5 PUK: 38635144 =================================== Reading Unlock Codes Done! ================================================== ========================== 1. Remove JTAG Connection and Assemble Phone 2. Insert SIM Card from different Provider into the Phone 3. Power ON the Phone 4. Enter 8-digit PIN Code or 8-digit PUK Code when Phone Requires it 5. After Code is accepted, wait 30 seconds until Operator Signal Appears Write Down 8-digit PIN CODE on a piece of paper and attach it to the phone under the battery. This will allow the owner of the phone to unlock this phone again if he will flash the phone firmware in the future. ================================================== ========================== Saving "..\Logs\Screenshots\2014-10-17_18-04-00.jpg"...OK

10-29-2014, 12:11	#64 (permalink)
unlock967 Crazy Poster Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Ho Chi Minh VN Age: 35 Posts: 54 Member: 2127434 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 24	1. Make sure JTAG Connection is 100% OK 2. DO NOT Connect a USB Cable to the phone 3. Connect RJ-45 JTAG Cable to ATF Box 4. Connect Phone BATTERY and POWER ON the Phone 5. Wait until WP7 OS is FULLY LOADED showing Main Menu 6. Check that Phone IMEI is valid via *#06# 7. If IMEI is valid, Click READ CODES button then wait... ---------------------------------------------------------- Resetting and Exploring JTAG chain...No Devices found in Chain! Resetting and Exploring JTAG chain...No Devices found in Chain! Resetting and Exploring JTAG chain...No Devices found in Chain! Resetting and Exploring JTAG chain...1 Device(s) Device #1 ID 0x106210E1 IR4 Resetting and Exploring JTAG chain...1 Device(s) Device #1 ID 0x106210E1 IR4 Resetting and Exploring JTAG chain...1 Device(s) Device #1 ID 0x106210E1 IR4 Initializing Connection Connected 1 device(s)! Halting Core... Halted Device 0x106210E1 Searching for PIN/PUK Unlock Codes... Please wait for a while... Codes Found! ========================= PIN LEVEL 1: 80425862 - LOCKED PUK LEVEL 1: 65863224 - LOCKED PIN LEVEL 2: 97025874 PUK LEVEL 2: 64115743 PIN LEVEL 3: 55385074 PUK LEVEL 3: 74932886 PIN LEVEL 4: 39273600 PUK LEVEL 4: 21896382 PIN LEVEL 5: 28567879 PUK LEVEL 5: 03409162 ========================= Reading Unlock Codes Done! ================================================== ========================== 1. Remove JTAG Connection and Assemble Phone 2. Insert SIM Card from different Provider into the Phone 3. Power ON the Phone 4. Enter 8-digit PIN Code or 8-digit PUK Code when Phone Requires it 5. After Code is accepted, wait 30 seconds until Operator Signal Appears Write Down 8-digit PIN CODE on a piece of paper and attach it to the phone under the battery. This will allow the owner of the phone to unlock this phone again if he will flash the phone firmware in the future. ================================================== ========================== All Done!

11-17-2014, 10:50	#66 (permalink)
Hafiz ArslanAli No Life Poster Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sharja UAE Posts: 2,000 Member: 820592 Status: Offline Sonork: 100.1590378 Thanks Meter: 327	connections wires and every thing is ok but getting error..... phone not conected. why????? Default language ID 0x0409, LR 12 JTAG Interface Connected, S/N 0x80000000 Resetting and Exploring JTAG chain...No Devices found in Chain! Loading AFP (Please Wait)...OK AFP revision 4, compiled 11/26/2013 10:48:00 AM ================================================== ======== Phone Type : Lumia 610 RM-835 - Supported : Lumia 610 RM-849 - Supported : Lumia 610C RM-836 - Supported Unlock Type : Read PIN and PUK Unlock Codes Other Notes : Disconnect USB Cable before Reading Codes ================================================== ======== 1. Make sure JTAG Connection is 100% OK 2. Always Disconnect the Phone BATTERY 3. Connect RJ-45 JTAG Cable to ATF Box 4. Disconnect USB Cable from the Phone 5. DO NOT click RESET JTAG button 6. Click READ CODES button to Start Reading Unlock Codes ---------------------------------------------------------- Disconnect USB Cable from Phone (If Connected) Re-Connect USB Cable to Phone... Connect USB Cable to Phone...Timeout During Operation!

11-18-2014, 16:47	#67 (permalink)
Hafiz ArslanAli No Life Poster Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sharja UAE Posts: 2,000 Member: 820592 Status: Offline Sonork: 100.1590378 Thanks Meter: 327	Disconnect USB Cable from Phone (If Connected) Re-Connect USB Cable to Phone... Connect USB Cable to Phone...OK USB Connected! Waiting for First Event...OK Disconnect USB Cable Now...OK Re-Connect USB Cable to Phone... Waiting for Device Connection 10 second(s)...OK Resetting and Exploring JTAG chain...OK Halting Core...OK Initializing Device...OK Retrieving Unlock Codes...OK =================================== Service Provider Unlock Codes Found =================================== Level 1 PIN: 59297733 Level 1 PUK: 21975281 Level 2 PIN: 16654778 Level 2 PUK: 75742155 Level 3 PIN: 20530843 Level 3 PUK: 31154673 Level 4 PIN: 38709447 Level 4 PUK: 61122657 Level 5 PIN: 89885815 Level 5 PUK: 53087842 =================================== Reading Unlock Codes Done! ================================================== ========================== 1. Remove JTAG Connection and Assemble Phone 2. Insert SIM Card from different Provider into the Phone 3. Power ON the Phone 4. Enter 8-digit PIN Code or 8-digit PUK Code when Phone Requires it 5. After Code is accepted, wait 30 seconds until Operator Signal Appears Write Down 8-digit PIN CODE on a piece of paper and attach it to the phone under the battery. This will allow the owner of the phone to unlock this phone again if he will flash the phone firmware in the future. ================================================== ==========================

12-24-2014, 13:07	#68 (permalink)
hicham11 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 21 Member: 1738521 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 0	---------------------------------------------------------- Disconnect USB Cable from Phone (If Connected) Re-Connect USB Cable to Phone... Connect USB Cable to Phone...OK USB Connected! Waiting for First Event...OK Disconnect USB Cable Now...OK Re-Connect USB Cable to Phone... Waiting for Device Connection 10 second(s)...OK Resetting and Exploring JTAG chain...OK Halting Core...OK Initializing Device...OK Retrieving Unlock Codes...OK =================================== Service Provider Unlock Codes Found =================================== Level 1 PIN: 20472065 ACTIVE Level 1 PUK: 76662638 ACTIVE Level 2 PIN: 92749678 Level 2 PUK: 65573807 Level 3 PIN: 23982871 Level 3 PUK: 01992669 Level 4 PIN: 44568892 Level 4 PUK: 44719717 Level 5 PIN: 73710320 Level 5 PUK: 45643501 =================================== Reading Unlock Codes Done! ================================================== ==========================

03-20-2015, 19:02	#69 (permalink)
basharat7 Freak Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sgr_Kashmir Posts: 250 Member: 652992 Status: Offline Sonork: 100.1651242 Thanks Meter: 28	this is called the professional work best man with very clean procedure awesome man *** bless u

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f0ou4d Freak Poster Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: algeria Posts: 116 Member: 581441 Status: Offline Sonork: 100.1656898 Thanks Meter: 33	nice procedure and very clean work

10-17-2015, 18:24	#73 (permalink)
soulgsm Freak Poster Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: RUSSIA Posts: 333 Member: 1872225 Status: Offline Sonork: 100.1668729 Thanks Meter: 32	I have bought ATF GOld fully activated along with a nice Dolphin clip and wanted to ask : Is there a short or long term to unlock via JTag Lumia 520 ?

11-06-2015, 19:44	#75 (permalink)
allumts No Life Poster Join Date: Apr 2011 Age: 58 Posts: 16,408 Member: 1564612 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 12,343	Is TRUE or not that are Spamming ALL Atf section?, you will be remaing w/o answer and all you Spamming post deleted. Only one is enough, or you think that Spamming all Section reveive Speed answer?...you are out way totally. BR