Local mode final solution for BB5 cables - GSM-Forum

moulnisky · 05-08-2009, 19:42

Here the schematics of the add-on box..
It solves:
a) BSI problem (add the value of 2,7 or 5.1 to the actual resistor inside the cable)
b) Low power problem (using a standard usb charger you can give up to 1 ampere to the mobile ) important when you have not a self powered usb hub or you are using a laptop.

Valid solution as well (Using an UFC cable connecting only GND and VPP to the battery connector) to give power to the mobile during an USB flash.

BR

Alex

**PhoneCareCenter** · 05-09-2009, 01:09

Schematics similar to the TMA Adaptor by GPG Industries....

Advantages:
-BSI has more Resistor Options (switches)
-PSU 5vDC is connected to the USB Power Cable
-7/8pin and 10 pin cables supported

Good Schematic by the way, u can add the above mentioned then u get a complete TMA Adaptor only with Low Quality Cables.

Good Luck

moulnisky · 05-09-2009, 06:06

As well not always the usb port has power enough, expecially using laptops, to power up mobiles like N95, 5800 or N96 and this is the reason of a lot of failures in the unlock procedure.
The scheme is free to be mofied using RJ 48 connectors instead.

BR

Alex

moulnisky · 05-09-2009, 06:37

The TMA adaptor is only increasing the value of the BSI.. nothing about the LOW power problem.. I remember now the tool and I didn't buy it just for this reason.
The LOW power problem is the biggest working on mobiles like 6300, 6500, 5800, N95 or N96 where most boxes or usb ports fail to give the proper current to the mobile in restarting it and the job goes in error.
As well those mobile are the cause of problem on the boxes stressing over limit the power regulator ic.
10 K resistor added I think is useless considering all the commercial cables, today, have at least 5.1 Kohm BSI value.. so 0, 2.7 and 5.1 are enough.
Anyway free GPG to get the IDEA and make new version of the TMA adaptor.. I think there is space enough in the actual one to add a micro rele or an electronic one and a socket for an external power supply.
There is the market for a tool like this one made in high quality standards.

BR

Alex

Amir-SkillZ · 05-09-2009, 09:04

U idea is good for future TMA adaptor update for GPG...
Keep it up mate

moulnisky · 05-09-2009, 11:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amir-SkillZ

U idea is good for future TMA adaptor update for GPG...
Keep it up mate

I hope if they will do it I can get one for free lol...

BR

Alex

kabirhossain · 05-09-2009, 11:58

use 9V adaptor use VPP box ext 9v

Box is activated
Started box selftests procedure
USB Voltage 4.98v PASSED
MCU Voltage 3.28v PASSED
Core Voltage 1.77v PASSED
VBAT Voltage 0.03v PASSED
VBAT Voltage 4.88v PASSED
Box VPP disabled
VPP Voltage 0.00v PASSED
Internal Box VPP Enabled
VPP Voltage 4.79v PASSED
Box VPP disabled
VPP Voltage 0.04v PASSED
External Box VPP Enabled
VPP Voltage 7.88v PASSED
Box VPP disabled
All box selftests passed!
Initializing FBUS...
All initialized - Ready to work

moulnisky · 05-09-2009, 12:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by kabirhossain

use 9V adaptor use VPP box ext 9v

Box is activated
Started box selftests procedure
USB Voltage 4.98v PASSED
MCU Voltage 3.28v PASSED
Core Voltage 1.77v PASSED
VBAT Voltage 0.03v PASSED
VBAT Voltage 4.88v PASSED
Box VPP disabled
VPP Voltage 0.00v PASSED
Internal Box VPP Enabled
VPP Voltage 4.79v PASSED
Box VPP disabled
VPP Voltage 0.04v PASSED
External Box VPP Enabled
VPP Voltage 7.88v PASSED
Box VPP disabled
All box selftests passed!
Initializing FBUS...
All initialized - Ready to work

The VPP voltage you highlighted is only used when you flash some DCT4 to erase the flash memory (Is called boost).
When you work on bb5 mobiles the TX2 adaptor disconnect the external vpp and use the pin as TX2 (Here the name TX2 adaptor) so is unused on BB5.
As well won't sort out the problems with those cables who have the wrong BSI resistor.
I think I don't need to say this solution is for all those boxes using cables in standard Cyclone or UFS

BR

Alex

aswancamel · 05-09-2009, 12:14

please, more explanation
when i use ext power 5 in cyclone jack, should i use TX2 adaptor for bb5 phone or need any more,
i hope i do not miss translate what u mean.

thanks

Amir-SkillZ · 05-09-2009, 12:22

U Used 5volt EXT power to Cyclone BOX?
Dont use it until u know what r u doing and what for that needed,!
Thats for boosting FLashing Speed...So while Doing work on BB5 phones Adaptor Works for TX2 Line...Thats Recommended

10xs4asking · 05-09-2009, 17:33

Good drawing next time, put your name and date of 1st drawing so people will not take your idea.

GPG will make money on something so simple to build, all we get is thanks.

aswancamel · 05-09-2009, 18:21

who will sell this modified cable for cyclone. gpg or cyclone itself.
when cyclone special power adapter for cyclonebox

moulnisky · 05-09-2009, 19:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10xs4asking

Good drawing next time, put your name and date of 1st drawing so people will not take your idea.

GPG will make money on something so simple to build, all we get is thanks.

Lol.. ******** is a good lad.. he can modify my projects.. :-)
He just didn't get why I put the rele in the schematic..
without the rele the mobile won't start when needed (the boxes cut off the VPP to the battery to restart it.. if it is always under power this won't happen) ..
About the resistors we can add all the value we like or put a trimmer 10 Kohm to be safe :-)

Guys.. the idea i put here for everybody... feel fre to use it. Actually I'm on the prototipe n.2.. giving the tool a nice case ;-)

BR

Alex

10xs4asking · 05-09-2009, 19:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by moulnisky

Lol.. ******** is a good lad.. he can modify my projects.. :-)
He just didn't get why I put the rele in the schematic..
without the rele the mobile won't start when needed (the boxes cut off the VPP to the battery to restart it.. if it is always under power this won't happen) ..
About the resistors we can add all the value we like or put a trimmer 10 Kohm to be safe :-)

Guys.. the idea i put here for everybody... feel fre to use it. Actually I'm on the prototipe n.2.. giving the tool a nice case ;-)

BR

Alex

Mod-2 is the circuit one gets when the N/C relay is active.
Also since no relay is used, it is optional to connect box ground...

I have picture of proto type Mod-1 and Mod-2 will put soon...

10xs4asking · 05-09-2009, 20:28

Looks messy but it is functional....

05-08-2009, 19:42	#1 (permalink)
moulnisky No Life Poster Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: England Age: 59 Posts: 17,681 Member: 947561 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 14,053	Local mode final solution for BB5 cables Here the schematics of the add-on box.. It solves: a) BSI problem (add the value of 2,7 or 5.1 to the actual resistor inside the cable) b) Low power problem (using a standard usb charger you can give up to 1 ampere to the mobile ) important when you have not a self powered usb hub or you are using a laptop. Valid solution as well (Using an UFC cable connecting only GND and VPP to the battery connector) to give power to the mobile during an USB flash. BR Alex

05-09-2009, 06:06	#3 (permalink)
moulnisky No Life Poster Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: England Age: 59 Posts: 17,681 Member: 947561 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 14,053	Never seen the tma adaptor in my life :-) As well not always the usb port has power enough, expecially using laptops, to power up mobiles like N95, 5800 or N96 and this is the reason of a lot of failures in the unlock procedure. The scheme is free to be mofied using RJ 48 connectors instead. BR Alex

05-09-2009, 06:37	#4 (permalink)
moulnisky No Life Poster Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: England Age: 59 Posts: 17,681 Member: 947561 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 14,053	Had a look to the TMA adaptor.. The TMA adaptor is only increasing the value of the BSI.. nothing about the LOW power problem.. I remember now the tool and I didn't buy it just for this reason. The LOW power problem is the biggest working on mobiles like 6300, 6500, 5800, N95 or N96 where most boxes or usb ports fail to give the proper current to the mobile in restarting it and the job goes in error. As well those mobile are the cause of problem on the boxes stressing over limit the power regulator ic. 10 K resistor added I think is useless considering all the commercial cables, today, have at least 5.1 Kohm BSI value.. so 0, 2.7 and 5.1 are enough. Anyway free GPG to get the IDEA and make new version of the TMA adaptor.. I think there is space enough in the actual one to add a micro rele or an electronic one and a socket for an external power supply. There is the market for a tool like this one made in high quality standards. BR Alex

05-09-2009, 11:58	#7 (permalink)
kabirhossain No Life Poster Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dhaka Age: 46 Posts: 1,028 Member: 271880 Status: Offline Sonork: 100.1578866 Thanks Meter: 1,289	more easy local mode or Low power problem use 9V adaptor use VPP box ext 9v Box is activated Started box selftests procedure USB Voltage 4.98v PASSED MCU Voltage 3.28v PASSED Core Voltage 1.77v PASSED VBAT Voltage 0.03v PASSED VBAT Voltage 4.88v PASSED Box VPP disabled VPP Voltage 0.00v PASSED Internal Box VPP Enabled VPP Voltage 4.79v PASSED Box VPP disabled VPP Voltage 0.04v PASSED External Box VPP Enabled VPP Voltage 7.88v PASSED Box VPP disabled All box selftests passed! Initializing FBUS... All initialized - Ready to work

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05-09-2009, 01:09	#2 (permalink)
PhoneCareCenter Product Manager Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Inside Java Posts: 1,187 Member: 574123 Status: Offline Sonork: 100.1581804 Thanks Meter: 1,839	Schematics similar to the TMA Adaptor by GPG Industries.... Advantages: -BSI has more Resistor Options (switches) -PSU 5vDC is connected to the USB Power Cable -7/8pin and 10 pin cables supported Good Schematic by the way, u can add the above mentioned then u get a complete TMA Adaptor only with Low Quality Cables. Good Luck

05-09-2009, 09:04	#5 (permalink)
Amir-SkillZ No Life Poster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Capetown Posts: 6,709 Member: 91045 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 8,696	U idea is good for future TMA adaptor update for GPG... Keep it up mate

05-09-2009, 12:14	#9 (permalink)
aswancamel No Life Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,121 Member: 303402 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 346	please, more explanation when i use ext power 5 in cyclone jack, should i use TX2 adaptor for bb5 phone or need any more, i hope i do not miss translate what u mean. thanks

05-09-2009, 12:22	#10 (permalink)
Amir-SkillZ No Life Poster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Capetown Posts: 6,709 Member: 91045 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 8,696	U Used 5volt EXT power to Cyclone BOX? Dont use it until u know what r u doing and what for that needed,! Thats for boosting FLashing Speed...So while Doing work on BB5 phones Adaptor Works for TX2 Line...Thats Recommended

05-09-2009, 17:33	#11 (permalink)
10xs4asking Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Proud to be a GUARER Posts: 216 Member: 996201 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 315	Good drawing next time, put your name and date of 1st drawing so people will not take your idea. GPG will make money on something so simple to build, all we get is thanks.

05-09-2009, 18:21	#12 (permalink)
aswancamel No Life Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,121 Member: 303402 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 346	who will sell this modified cable for cyclone. gpg or cyclone itself. when cyclone special power adapter for cyclonebox

05-09-2009, 20:28	#15 (permalink)
10xs4asking Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Proud to be a GUARER Posts: 216 Member: 996201 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 315	Looks messy but it is functional....