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Originally Posted by setool_helper  so it means enduser's freedom is for the money involve only? 
to know the price about activation? to know the price about box?
i dont think so, coz every user's have freedom to know all behind of product we used.
anyway, x_shadow temporary banned, may i know the reasons coz im using atf box??.
how about support if product manager/supporter cant access on support forum?
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really i haven't seen either teams post source codes of how their software work
if they did why would they need dongles , activations , incriptions and other things to keep source codes a secret and hidden for they're softwares ? or why would karwos make such a big deal out of this if he was giving the source codes to the end users?
i personally and many others would be very happy if all the tools we have would come with free source codes
xshadow has been banned not imprisoned or killed
so if there is an update he will ask someone from his team to post it or he will post it in a different forum