Diff between Neelix II & DCT-4 Flasher Pro - GSM-Forum

mobilerocks · 10-31-2002, 16:03

Hello,

I really wanted to what Neelix can do DCT-4 Flasher Pro Cant do ? Also why Neelix is charged 1000 dollars where as DCT-4 Flasher Pro is charged about 100+ dollars ?

mmoda · 10-31-2002, 18:46

i need anwers too
please.

GsMen · 10-31-2002, 21:27

Support,

I (and I think alot of other neelix owners) cannot afford too loose a customer, since we run, at least try too run a professional buisiness.

If you look back in the history, of other flashers, you will notice the diffrence. for example:

-bluetooth trouble after flashing
-wrong loaders
-7650 support

etc
etc

in the end someone will fix it, but when someone posts here question about "wrong flashed" with "cheap" fasher, how too fix it? Mostly Neelix is already ready too fix it.

When "others" where trying too fix bluetooth trouble on 6310, Neelix, owners where flashing bluetooth already, without problems.

Also, there is a FTP with all new versions, and all new PPM & MCU files, so this saves ME searching the net!!!

So for me this is the cheapest solution after all!!

So if you care about your buisiness, and fast updates etc just buy a neelix. If you dont mind just buy anything else!

Spalato · 11-01-2002, 01:04

X-Shadow · 11-01-2002, 06:22

@ Splato

Hmmmm... I think as a moderator, you should really take some
time on reading the RULES IN THIS FORUM. You always give
"other" flashers bad advertisment which is not entirely true
especially your posts in the SALES Forum...

Honestly, I have a lot of things to say about the "FLASHER" that
you are currently "RESELLING" right now... But I respect the
authors and developers of this product so I keep my ***** shut.
You on the other hand keep blabbing and blabbing about the
faults of cheaper flashers. These stories may be true, but it
all do seem pretty much exaggerated. How about the faults of
the "FLASHER" you are selling? I am pretty sure that you also
had some problems because nothing is really perfect. If you
want a very good example about the "FAULTS" of your product,
ask ED2K2 what happend between the NEELIX vs. GRIFFIN
match-up they had 3 weeks ago in my country...

The only reason why I do not delete your posts is that I respect
you as a fellow moderator... but honestly I find almost all your
posts concerning DCT4 flashing very very offensive.

MAK_US1977 · 11-01-2002, 09:08

to support cheap flasher
we need to make its algorithm (the sw) opend so the development will be grown and new versons will be released and suport new alogrithms in mokia

er2000 · 11-01-2002, 11:20

Quote:

Originally posted by X-Shadow
@ Splato

Hmmmm... I think as a moderator, you should really take some
time on reading the RULES IN THIS FORUM. You always give
"other" flashers bad advertisment which is not entirely true
especially your posts in the SALES Forum...

Honestly, I have a lot of things to say about the "FLASHER" that
you are currently "RESELLING" right now... But I respect the
authors and developers of this product so I keep my ***** shut.
You on the other hand keep blabbing and blabbing about the
faults of cheaper flashers. These stories may be true, but it
all do seem pretty much exaggerated. How about the faults of
the "FLASHER" you are selling? I am pretty sure that you also
had some problems because nothing is really perfect. If you
want a very good example about the "FAULTS" of your product,
ask ED2K2 what happend between the NEELIX vs. GRIFFIN
match-up they had 3 weeks ago in my country...

The only reason why I do not delete your posts is that I respect
you as a fellow moderator... but honestly I find almost all your
posts concerning DCT4 flashing very very offensive.

still i think spalato has a point
and i think you are also premature in your "verdict"
since you sell also a dct4 flasher and you say it is the best
however as a moderator all of you schould now , that your job is to watch the board and look for spammers , cheaters ,idiots etc etc
now as of expirience i can also say it does not work
since there are still people selling stuff , that does not exist just to "bomb"our products or even yours , to bring down the price i even send proof but nothing was done,you must agree with that
now as for what the customer wants ,leave it up to him
we are just making a point, wich is correct
as for what works and what does not
tell me: you ever saw a windows version that always works?
no mistakes?,no errors?
as for us developing software is very time consuming , every one agrees.
as for neelix , i agree the hardware is very cheap to make
but that is not the problem , our goal in this all is support
that is what people makes them buy good programs
and pay our prices , that are not the cheapest
second i hate when people buy a product for big money
and see after one month it is for free or no support anymore
or you still owe us money......
our goal is for people that have a repair shop and help them in any way we can , this means out of 8 hours in a day
4 of them we put in neelix only (support , troubleshooting)
on our board we have a special forum just to help other users so find out what goes wrong and why.
we have to keep developing it , as you now NMP made so many changes the last weeks , that it looks that we went from dct3 to dct9 in a few week,s
or like a good programmer said here "by the time i am 60 and my grandson wants to play, i have to tell him , sorry grandpa is just making again a update for dct-3756"
as for other products what can i say then just look on the internet and look what is going on.
allready that cheap dct4 flasher is out, the hex for it we had some weeks ago , i could have easely throw it on the internet
but then again what is the use look at the prices.
you must agree x-shadow are you going to continue your support
even when the whole source is on the internet?
waranty?
then its no use anymore is it? dct-4 flashers: the chinese will throw 10000 ths of these "variants" incl dct3
maybe even with a coffee blender build inside
they have so many leds the will light the whole room.....
so there is no point to tell wich flasher is better they are all better then NMP products
so lets keep all cool
i respect you both in this matter and hope we helped the guy
that asked in the firsts place wich product to buy
i would tell him : just look around ask for experirience , support
then look for a price not the other way around

reg Sandor

X-Shadow · 11-01-2002, 15:13

@ er2000

"however as a moderator all of you schould now , that your job is to watch the board and look for spammers , cheaters ,idiots etc etc"

Yes of course, this is what I am doing right now... idiots...
But my post was obviously not for you, because you are not an
idiot.

"still i think spalato has a point
and i think you are also premature in your "verdict"
since you sell also a dct4 flasher and you say it is the best"

Please check all my posts,, I never said WinDCT4 flasher is the
best... where did you get this idea?...
Once I said FLS-4 is the best... because this is 100% true...

"you must agree x-shadow are you going to continue your support
even when the whole source is on the internet?
waranty?"

Yes, why not?

Now this what I was afraid of, people like you being offended by
posts that are not really a direct attack to your products. You may
want to check out Spalatos post's in the Sales section and then
maybe you will understand what I am trying to say. I have no
problem with you (er2000) or your product, my problem is that
spalato is giving "other flashers" bad publicity and for me this is
not fair.

Spalato · 11-01-2002, 15:18

Spalato · 11-01-2002, 15:22

Nick-A · 11-01-2002, 15:34

At the end of the day, you get what you pay for in this life, personally I'm happy with AFD, some use their WinDCT 4 or whatever, and then complain, less use Neelix 2 and complain, but thats life.

Nick

X-Shadow · 11-01-2002, 15:51

Hmmmm.... again again,,, misunderstood...

Read my post for you, it is a respectable post... no offense made
on you, I checked it and read it more than 5 times just to be sure
that you will not be offended...

My Last post was for er2000...
idiots <-- this is not you, or er2000 but for people who
immediately believe what they read... dont you think this is the
real definition of idiot?? I dont see the term applicable to you...
I may think that you were unfair, but the term idiot really does not
apply to you dont you think? Please try to read my posts in this
view so you will not be offended and so that it will make more
sense to you now that you know this. I write my post because
many people ask me stupid questions like:

1. Why in forum xxxx say that xxx flasher is better than xxxx
2. Why in forum xxxx say that your flasher is obsolete

People begin to think that since I never commented on your
posts, it means that all the bad things you said about
other flasher is true... and so I commented on your posts.

No offense meant to you, I dont want to dig myself a deeper
hole. Please do take some time to re-read my posts.

Bph&co · 11-01-2002, 16:24

Quote:

Originally posted by Spalato
... now I will definitly buy the hex release the hex and schematics free on my website and make everyone, except DCT-4 sellers, happy...

Spalato

Well this will be remarkable year for this business

In one year 3 circus performances ! It is really fun reading here

Best Regards

Cables · 11-01-2002, 16:57

I think this childish fighting should be stopped, when someone
pay money for the DCT-4 Flasher HEX and release for free,
who want to pay money for these "Expensive" Nexxxxx and
Grxxxxx (compare with the 'Reasonable' (I don't want to use the
word 'Cheap', I think other products is selling 'Expensive')
DCT-4 Flasher, it is only cost 5% of Nexxxxx !!!)
The seller of DCT-4 Flasher will also very happy and have good
sale for this "Reasonable' Flasher even the HEX is free.
They can put the price as low as you make it by yourselves,
even they are selling the dongle at USD10, they can still get
profit, who is willing to make the dongle by themselves if the
dongle is selling at this price ?????
Don't forget you have to buy the PIC chip, build a PIC
programmer, a PCB, buy some components ...............etc.........
And, they have to buy cables, phone connectors .......etc ...........
May be at that time, spend USD3x can buy a completed DCT-4
Flasher with 5 cables, who care it cannot flash some very new
versions (actually, you can downgrade the version and make it
work, for the new Flash Chip, just replace the loader file)
The Dejan DCT-3 dongle is still have market !!!!!!!!!!!!

Cables
[email protected]

PaRoZ · 11-01-2002, 17:20

After what i have heard..so will not this simple cheap flasher suport newer dct-4 phones.. becouse i hear that nokia are going to change their way to flash new dct-4 ..can anyone confirm this..
becouse i have get this confirmed from a good friend to..and a other man told me thay are removing the mbus for flashing..on newer dct-4...

br
paroz

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GsMen No Life Poster Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Netherlands Posts: 857 Member: 2100 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 40	Support, I (and I think alot of other neelix owners) cannot afford too loose a customer, since we run, at least try too run a professional buisiness. If you look back in the history, of other flashers, you will notice the diffrence. for example: -bluetooth trouble after flashing -wrong loaders -7650 support etc etc in the end someone will fix it, but when someone posts here question about "wrong flashed" with "cheap" fasher, how too fix it? Mostly Neelix is already ready too fix it. When "others" where trying too fix bluetooth trouble on 6310, Neelix, owners where flashing bluetooth already, without problems. Also, there is a FTP with all new versions, and all new PPM & MCU files, so this saves ME searching the net!!! So for me this is the cheapest solution after all!! So if you care about your buisiness, and fast updates etc just buy a neelix. If you dont mind just buy anything else!

11-01-2002, 06:22	#5 (permalink)
X-Shadow No Life Poster Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: GSM Forum Posts: 1,108 Member: 871 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 602	@ Splato Hmmmm... I think as a moderator, you should really take some time on reading the RULES IN THIS FORUM. You always give "other" flashers bad advertisment which is not entirely true especially your posts in the SALES Forum... Honestly, I have a lot of things to say about the "FLASHER" that you are currently "RESELLING" right now... But I respect the authors and developers of this product so I keep my ***** shut. You on the other hand keep blabbing and blabbing about the faults of cheaper flashers. These stories may be true, but it all do seem pretty much exaggerated. How about the faults of the "FLASHER" you are selling? I am pretty sure that you also had some problems because nothing is really perfect. If you want a very good example about the "FAULTS" of your product, ask ED2K2 what happend between the NEELIX vs. GRIFFIN match-up they had 3 weeks ago in my country... The only reason why I do not delete your posts is that I respect you as a fellow moderator... but honestly I find almost all your posts concerning DCT4 flashing very very offensive.

11-01-2002, 09:08	#6 (permalink)
MAK_US1977 No Life Poster Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Egypt Age: 46 Posts: 1,530 Member: 4263 Status: Offline Sonork: 100.1582330 Thanks Meter: 49	to support cheap flasher we need to make its algorithm (the sw) opend so the development will be grown and new versons will be released and suport new alogrithms in mokia

11-01-2002, 15:13	#8 (permalink)
X-Shadow No Life Poster Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: GSM Forum Posts: 1,108 Member: 871 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 602	@ er2000 "however as a moderator all of you schould now , that your job is to watch the board and look for spammers , cheaters ,idiots etc etc" Yes of course, this is what I am doing right now... idiots... But my post was obviously not for you, because you are not an idiot. "still i think spalato has a point and i think you are also premature in your "verdict" since you sell also a dct4 flasher and you say it is the best" Please check all my posts,, I never said WinDCT4 flasher is the best... where did you get this idea?... Once I said FLS-4 is the best... because this is 100% true... "you must agree x-shadow are you going to continue your support even when the whole source is on the internet? waranty?" Yes, why not? Now this what I was afraid of, people like you being offended by posts that are not really a direct attack to your products. You may want to check out Spalatos post's in the Sales section and then maybe you will understand what I am trying to say. I have no problem with you (er2000) or your product, my problem is that spalato is giving "other flashers" bad publicity and for me this is not fair.

11-01-2002, 15:34	#11 (permalink)
Nick-A No Life Poster Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 519 Member: 8249 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 2	At the end of the day, you get what you pay for in this life, personally I'm happy with AFD, some use their WinDCT 4 or whatever, and then complain, less use Neelix 2 and complain, but thats life. Nick

11-01-2002, 15:51	#12 (permalink)
X-Shadow No Life Poster Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: GSM Forum Posts: 1,108 Member: 871 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 602	Hmmmm.... again again,,, misunderstood... Read my post for you, it is a respectable post... no offense made on you, I checked it and read it more than 5 times just to be sure that you will not be offended... My Last post was for er2000... idiots <-- this is not you, or er2000 but for people who immediately believe what they read... dont you think this is the real definition of idiot?? I dont see the term applicable to you... I may think that you were unfair, but the term idiot really does not apply to you dont you think? Please try to read my posts in this view so you will not be offended and so that it will make more sense to you now that you know this. I write my post because many people ask me stupid questions like: 1. Why in forum xxxx say that xxx flasher is better than xxxx 2. Why in forum xxxx say that your flasher is obsolete People begin to think that since I never commented on your posts, it means that all the bad things you said about other flasher is true... and so I commented on your posts. No offense meant to you, I dont want to dig myself a deeper hole. Please do take some time to re-read my posts.

11-01-2002, 16:57	#14 (permalink)
Cables Freak Poster Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Hong Kong, China Posts: 329 Member: 7866 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 4	I think this childish fighting should be stopped, when someone pay money for the DCT-4 Flasher HEX and release for free, who want to pay money for these "Expensive" Nexxxxx and Grxxxxx (compare with the 'Reasonable' (I don't want to use the word 'Cheap', I think other products is selling 'Expensive') DCT-4 Flasher, it is only cost 5% of Nexxxxx !!!) The seller of DCT-4 Flasher will also very happy and have good sale for this "Reasonable' Flasher even the HEX is free. They can put the price as low as you make it by yourselves, even they are selling the dongle at USD10, they can still get profit, who is willing to make the dongle by themselves if the dongle is selling at this price ????? Don't forget you have to buy the PIC chip, build a PIC programmer, a PCB, buy some components ...............etc......... And, they have to buy cables, phone connectors .......etc ........... May be at that time, spend USD3x can buy a completed DCT-4 Flasher with 5 cables, who care it cannot flash some very new versions (actually, you can downgrade the version and make it work, for the new Flash Chip, just replace the loader file) The Dejan DCT-3 dongle is still have market !!!!!!!!!!!! Cables [email protected]

11-01-2002, 17:20	#15 (permalink)
PaRoZ Freak Poster Join Date: Aug 1999 Posts: 109 Member: 455 Status: Offline Thanks Meter: 0	After what i have heard..so will not this simple cheap flasher suport newer dct-4 phones.. becouse i hear that nokia are going to change their way to flash new dct-4 ..can anyone confirm this.. becouse i have get this confirmed from a good friend to..and a other man told me thay are removing the mbus for flashing..on newer dct-4... br paroz