Got KI...but can't write to SIM

[Cheaha]

I am new to this board, but not new to forums, so I will do the best to present all information needed for assistance. Thanks guys.

Background:<br />I have recently purchased a SIM reader/programmer that was advertised to "clone" SIMS. (see pic) This unit is the same programmer that comes with the Sim Master program. I was able to extract the KI and IMSI (in 32 hours) using Sim_Scan 1.21. The program was a little tempermental but I eventually got it to run pretty well. (win98, idle sensativity set to low helps a lot)

My Problem:<br />I was told by someone in the hobby that I could write a cloned KI and IMSI to a SIM chip that was made by my GSM provider, so I purchased two "virgin" SIMS that were for my GSM network. I thought that extracting the KI and IMSI was gonig to be the hard part (and it was) but when it comes to writing the new info to the "virgin" chips, I am running into all sorts of problems. The F6 option of Sim_Scan keeps bombing off. I know I am close, I just need a little guidence. I have SCOURED the net.

What I think I know:<br />From what I can get from reading. There are programs called GSM_SIM and .hex files for programming gold wafer cards. But from what I gather these types of programs enable a completly blank gold wafer card to emulate a true GSM card. I don't think that this type of software is required as I have a true GSM card from my provider. I have tried using these programs as well as TwinSIM and WinExplorer to program the card to no avail. (I am familier with WinExplorer due to my DSS hobby). I have copies of gsm_sim, icprog, sim_scan, winopen, nk_info, wintesla, cwsdpmi, simedmfg, goldpic, silverpic, both .hex s, twinsim, cardinal 68, dexdebug, and Picprog.

Guys, you are my last hope. I can't even find another GSM forum anywhere on the net that compairs to this one (much less in english).

Cheaha <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

BTW: ALF I SENT YOU AN EMAIL...thanks.



<FONT COLOR="#ffff00" SIZE="1">[ 29 January 2002 18:40: Message edited by: Cheaha ]</font>

[-=KnOeFz=-]

Check out <a href="http://www.gsmsim.cjb.net/" target="_blank">X-Shadows page</a> for detailed instructions and links.

[Cheaha]

[quote]Originally posted by -=KnOeFz=-:<br /><strong>Check out <a href="http://www.gsmsim.cjb.net/" target="_blank">X-Shadows page</a> for detailed instructions and links.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thanks KnOeFz,<br />But I have already looked at this page. This page discusses how to write to a gold wafer card that I assume is a complete blank. What I am looking to do is re-program an orriginal SIM from the provider. I just want to write over the KI and IMSI of the card. I have done the step by step on Shadows page with no luck. IS IT POSSIBLE TO JUST REPROGRAM A PROVIDERS SIM?

Thanks for the response...I have been checking this thread every 15 minutes in anticipation of some answers. Again thanks.

[NNN]

i have never heard of reprogramming a sim . to emulate with the blank pic its possible but to reprogram i don't know . i think you simply dont have access to the ki and imsi ES files on the sim .

[Cheaha]

NNN,<br />Thanks for the response NNN.

[Alf]

It's not possible to reprogram a provider SIM.<br />Not certainly with a phoenix interface.<br />You must provide the high level keys and you can't change the IMSI/KI on it... only the PUK/PUK2/sim structure/etc... KI and IMSI are one time progamming for those SIMS.

Don't know what kind of blank card you do have... maybe they're SIMpic cards... they're not Dejan cards for sure. Do you have any specs on these? Probably they're a special PIC+EEPROM set with a special software on their PIC which requires again special software to program.

You'd be better off getting silver or gold cards and cuting them to plugin size... The problem is... your interface won't be able to program the PIC on them... you'd have to get them programmed. With a programmed card your interface can set the KI/IMSI or manage the card without problems.

Gold cards are very limited in size and unless you have a phone with good memory for contacts/sms (6210, 6310, 7110) you'll be stuck. For instance:

Gold SimPIC: 2 "providers", 1 sms, 8 contacts, no smsc<br />Gold Dejan: 8 "providers", 1 sms, 31 contacts, no smsc

I have 7 gold cards which I don't use. If you want them I can program them, cut them and send them to you, providing you tell me which software (dejan or SimPIC) you want on them... I can sell them (for the price of blank gold wafers) or trade them for Silver ones.

As an alternative if you send me silver ones postage I'll send them programmed for free..

Drop me a mail...

[Cheaha]

Alf,<br />That is the kind of answer I have been looking for.<br />I would very much like to purchase your extra gold cards. I have no preference for Dejan and SimPIC; however, I will be using SimScan to program the KI/IMSI so I guess Dejan would be my answer. Are there any compatibility issues I should know about with either one? (in regards to phone compatibility)<br /> <br />Thank you so much for your assistance, I am new to this hobby, and finding information on the net has proven difficult. I have been involved in the DirecTV hobby for sometime and felt that this was a logical extension of that knowledge. I'm getting there....I was just fed some bad information from the beginning. How much would you like to sell the gold cards for? I am unfamiliar with the their going price. I know I would like to buy several.<br /> <br />I live in the USA and would be able to pay you with PayPal if that is acceptable. Since I will be using emulated gold cards, I assume that I will need to unlock my phone. Is this correct?<br /> <br />Alf, thanks for the response. Even though it wasn't great news, I really appreciate knowing for sure. I have spent several hours searching through out the internet and have come up empty. Thanks for taking the time.<br /> <br />Cheaha <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

[logosunlimited]

hey mate, i took the photo you have used, can i claim copyright? im sure i can <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Anyway, i reckon you probably bought it from someone i sold it to as i only bought 2 of these and gave up trying to produce a clone after 3 days of trying!<br />The manufacturers were very helpful and kept emailing me updated software long after i sold them both and so couldnt test the software out.<br />email the owners, i think their address is on the software somewhere and they will help you as much as they can.<br />good luck, you will need it!

[Cheaha]

I have ditched the above hardware and have purchased a more robust system. I look forward to contributing what I learn to the forum. Thanks guys.

[Alf]

I hope I have helped <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Your old system is only useful with their pre-programmed blank cards and software...

Or if you can get someone to supply you with programmed Gold/Silver either with SIMPic or gsm_sim (with or without my mods).

This is because this device does not have the ludipipo programmer required to program the PIC inside the chip. But once the PIC is programmed you can alter the SIM (KI/IMSI/phonebook/sms) as much as you like.

[Cheaha]

[quote]Originally posted by Alf:<br /><strong>I hope I have helped <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Your old system is only useful with their pre-programmed blank cards and software...

Or if you can get someone to supply you with programmed Gold/Silver either with SIMPic or gsm_sim (with or without my mods).

This is because this device does not have the ludipipo programmer required to program the PIC inside the chip. But once the PIC is programmed you can alter the SIM (KI/IMSI/phonebook/sms) as much as you like.</strong><hr></blockquote>

ALF<br />YOU WERE SO HELPFUL

Thank you so much. I like eveyone here should rate you as 5 stars all the way!! I am excited about recieving my new hardware. Thanks for all the help. You should start your own forum somewhere. You really are the driving force behind this board for many people.

Cheaha

[Alf]

Hey... I'm drooling over here <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">

If you thing that SIM cloning should have it's own forum please post on the thread <a href="http://www.gsmcity.de/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=25&t=000385" target="_blank">New phorum about SIM cloning</a> <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

[zfrank]

moved to <a href="http://www.gsmcity.de/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum&f=57" target="_blank">sim cloning</a>