Good protection system

[exit_2]

Hello,
I coded something and I want to sell it. But I didn't code protection and I want to use something very easy for use, but very good too. Can you help me and give me some info about interesting protection programs?

Exit

[Dave.W]

if your program needs to communicate by cable, maybe try writing some program for PIC which can be used as a dongle inside the box.

[VsH-GsM]

@exit_2
for UNCRACKABLE solution contact me on ICQ...139113990
thats not armadillo or.... and thats not HW protection.....ITS software protection

[exit_2]

to VsH-GsM:
Please don't tell me stupid things like something is not possible crack!!! I know something about it and EVERYTHING is possible crack!

to all:
I searched little and tolked with some crackers and found some programs and interesting things about them:

Armadillo - I will never use it and nobody smart will. Why? I found something like this:

Armadillo.v2.60c.Incl.Keygen.READ.nFO-dT

Some crackers told me that keygen works only for this version, but is not problem update it for new versions too! This mean if someone use (used, will use) Armadillo he has BIG problem. Is not problem did keygen for his program, because Armadillo uses ****Fish encryption algorithm and then is possible break its keys.


ASProtect - Its very good program and it uses 1024-bits long RSA keys. Then it is very secure and crackers told me it is very good coded. But other side its very good known by crackers, there are decoders, many of articles about it and many people know how crack it.

Btw I found this:
ASProtect.v1.1.Win9xNT2k.Incl.Keymaker-DAMN

I was mad because I couldn't find something interesting, but then one cracker told me about something different, SVKP.

I found it at www.anticracking.sk and boys I can say its very interesting. It uses 2048-bit long RSA keys and many many interesting things. One of the best is encrypted blocks, than I can very easy and very secure protect some parts of code and nobody will look at them. And anticracking team will very soon (they writing at they page this month I think) release SVKP with hardware keys!
I talked about this protection with some other crackers and they told me about it: ITS VERY GOOD PROTECTION!
I think I will buy it, because its not very expensive and I will wait for HW keys, because I think then it will be very strong protection!

Exit

[Invisible]

hi,

I will give you my two cents, first, nothing is unbreakeable, you can only slow down craked versions till you recover some money (if you are lucky enought). Also, if something can´t be easy craked it will be copied, so...
About protections forget ready made ****, they use schemes well know for crakers, better try to do homemade one, it will resist better than comercial one and are better/cheaper.
If you want we can talk more deeply about this, I can help you a little too (for free!, offcourse) with protection system,

best regards
Invisible

[XzZ]

[exit_2]

to Invisible: I bought SVKP and I am testing it now. Its pretty interesting, I think it is one of the best protections which I can see. Its possible create special license keys for one computer. These keys doesn't work at other computer. I think this is what I want to do it and it is very easy. I will use RSA encrypted blocks which will decode only when program call them and user has correct license key for his computer.
But if you have some other ideas, it will be interesting talk about them. Please write me to [email protected] and we can start discussion. Thank you for answer.


to XzZ: Really interesting answer

[Invisible]

hi,

I don´t know about SVKP more than I have listened here but as all software products I see the same problem, it can be craked, anyone with a valid licence can debug code and dump/patch code so encription will be gone...
Homemade encription can be added to the application without problem, the only weak point is how to protect application against debug?, no way, even if a hardware device is used it also can be spied, so I think better solution is remove working code from program turning this into a crippleware application (no hardware, no program) and put the device in the last point so a deep analisys would be needed in order to understand working.
Depending of program and how does it work it could help, never know, if you have ideas don´t hesitate to share them,

best regards
Invisible

[exit_2]

Yes, I can agree what did you write. Homemade protections are the best because it is something new and unknown. But they have some limitations. First, you must know what do you code and I think not many people know it. Second, you must have time for code it (I read help for SVKP and author code it more than one year!!!!).

Then if you have time, you can code your protection yourself, but if you don't have lime me, then you will use automatic protection system and code some stuff yourself.

Btw: Many GSM software uses own protections, but they are not good and very easy for crackers. They then protect thier application with some public free protectors like TELock or use some commercial protection like Armadillo, but then is very easy remove protector and analyze protection.

I think best way is use commercial protection and use some special features from it and code some special parts yourself. It is very quick and I think more secure than some homemade protections.

There is other side why use commercial products. I think about code whole protection, but then I started think about bugs. Commercial protections are really good tested and they have not many bugs, but if I code my protection then I will need some time for testing (2-3 month) and I will need find testers. I think it isn't very good idea

Exit

[Invisible]

hi,

offcourse comercial protections are faster and (some, not all) well tested, also you can think that in the same time used to code/test a new protection another appl can be developed, true.
About bugs all appl have them so I am not so worry if they are not realy BIG, they can be solved quickly as they appear,

best regards
Invisible

Protections...Protections...Protections...

[Bph&co]

Hi exit,

You are 100% wrong about commercial security applications. The
fact the producers claim their protection is not broken is simply
because the programs people protect with it does not worth cracking it.
The GSM programs have very high demand and this
from people with a lot of money. If you ask some people around
cracking important programs cost USD 20 000 + a piece, which
no normal cracker will spend for any normal application.

First any protection which is based on software is very easy to break.
Just because x86 is maybe the best documented CPU in
the world. Also the number of free tools are large, knowledge of
embeded system is not required, just see the cracking tutorials
on the Net - everyone with 2-3 days reading can start cracking
in no time.

Another fact is that all commercial security schemes use some
popular encryption algorithms and Hash functions, developed by
USA universities and companies. By US export rules no company
can export algorithm with key lenght bigger than half of what is
believed secure at the current time. So most probably they claim
they use some RSA or ****fish algo, that you can read in the Net
is very secure, but obviosly you don't get the full stuff because
you are outside USA ( if you are !).

But again whatever you use keep in mind that a cracker not going
to get a evaluation version of your soft, he probably will buy it full
to crack it. And if you are very good in C++/ASM he will be genious and
will even see you errors.

The main advantage of using homemade hardware protection is
that most crackers don't really have good knowledge about hardware
or if they have they don't botter to do it because is time taking
and the most important - very expencive !

Best Regards